Big reno - bathroom, ensuite, WC, Laundry

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#270217 28-Apr-2020 18:40

Big reno, here's the plan I sent to the Plumber

Phase 1 Ensuite and Laundry.
Replace ensuite toilet, sink and mixer, replace plumbing to existing shower.
Replace laundry tub. It will have taps for washing machine so eliminate washing machine wall taps.

Phase 2 Bathroom and WC
Swap locations of bathroom (existing) shower and (new freestanding) bath, replace sink and mixer.
Replace WC Toilet, sink and mixer.

Ensuite and Bathroom are also getting replacement lighting, heated towel rails, switches and sockets
Ensuite is getting Vinyl plank flooring, so is close to a total do over... for a room we never use :/
Never use the bath either

Two things I'm grappling with:
- whether to replace Bathroom and Ensuite vanities completely. Plan above is just new sinks and mixers. They are a bit tired and a little outdated but the Bathroom one is 1800W and they are very expensive. Missues wants the 900W Ensuite vanity to match so wants to keep that.
- wall tiles ... look great but is it worth it? Also can they be stuck to painted gib with a waterproof adhesive?

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#2473010 28-Apr-2020 20:08

I'm not sure I'd do tiles again. They get damaged more easily than other flooring, they're heavy, and you need to keep a good number of exact spares because crack one and you might need to replace that tile and every tile around it if you have bad luck in the replacement.

Other things to be careful of include making sure the right consents and inspections are done, otherwise you may have more trouble selling the house.

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#2473033 28-Apr-2020 20:48

Get a bidet.

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Gemini

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#2473043 28-Apr-2020 21:05

timmmay:
I'm not sure I'd do tiles again. They get damaged more easily than other flooring, they're heavy, and you need to keep a good number of exact spares because crack one and you might need to replace that tile and every tile around it if you have bad luck in the replacement.

Other things to be careful of include making sure the right consents and inspections are done, otherwise you may have more trouble selling the house.

We have a floor tile gap between the shower and the bath from when a different size shower was put in. Requires 1 and a bit tiles to fill. Does that require waterproofing and building consent?

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#2473058 28-Apr-2020 21:51

Gemini:
timmmay:

I'm not sure I'd do tiles again. They get damaged more easily than other flooring, they're heavy, and you need to keep a good number of exact spares because crack one and you might need to replace that tile and every tile around it if you have bad luck in the replacement.

Other things to be careful of include making sure the right consents and inspections are done, otherwise you may have more trouble selling the house.

We have a floor tile gap between the shower and the bath from when a different size shower was put in. Requires 1 and a bit tiles to fill. Does that require waterproofing and building consent?

No idea sorry - ask the council.

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#2473100 29-Apr-2020 07:27

Gemini:
timmmay:
I'm not sure I'd do tiles again. They get damaged more easily than other flooring, they're heavy, and you need to keep a good number of exact spares because crack one and you might need to replace that tile and every tile around it if you have bad luck in the replacement.

Other things to be careful of include making sure the right consents and inspections are done, otherwise you may have more trouble selling the house.

We have a floor tile gap between the shower and the bath from when a different size shower was put in. Requires 1 and a bit tiles to fill. Does that require waterproofing and building consent?

We did our own tiling on our bathroom floors. Did not bother with consent. Our floor was concrete though and was already waterproof. If you have a wooden floor it’s a different story. Probably fine provided that the area you want to tile has the same tile underlay as the rest of the floor, and that same underlay also extends to under the shower.

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#2473103 29-Apr-2020 07:48

The tiling is not original and there are no tiles or waterproofing on the chipboard floor under the shower or the tile gap.
What do the rules say about what needs to go under a freestanding corner bath? It will be sealed against the wall on two sides but chipboard underneath.

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#2473104 29-Apr-2020 07:54

Gemini:
The tiling is not original and there are no tiles or waterproofing on the chipboard floor under the shower or the tile gap.
What do the rules say about what needs to go under a freestanding corner bath? It will be sealed against the wall on two sides but chipboard underneath.

You can't tile directly onto chipboard. If it was done correctly then there would be something like this product between the tiles and the chipboard floor:

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/james-hardie-tile-slate-1800-x-1200-x-6mm-underlay_p0267734

We used this on an upstairs toilet where we tiled on chipboard.

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#2473106 29-Apr-2020 08:07

Add the 1 and a bit tiles and you'll be no worse off than the rest of the room. Around the edge of the tiled area you should have a flexible caulk rather than rigid grout. So long as there is a narrow gap I've found clear to be less obvious than a white that never matches any other white.

Edit. There is a big diffence between can't and shouldn't. Last year I took up tiles laid dirrectly on chipboard in a passage,toilet and bathroom. Originally done c 1985 there were obviously areas that had been stuck down again as there was a mix of cement based and flexible adhesive.

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#2473185 29-Apr-2020 10:29

NumPy:
Gemini:
The tiling is not original and there are no tiles or waterproofing on the chipboard floor under the shower or the tile gap.
What do the rules say about what needs to go under a freestanding corner bath? It will be sealed against the wall on two sides but chipboard underneath.

You can't tile directly onto chipboard. If it was done correctly then there would be something like this product between the tiles and the chipboard floor:

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/james-hardie-tile-slate-1800-x-1200-x-6mm-underlay_p0267734

We used this on an upstairs toilet where we tiled on chipboard.

Tiles are 8mm thick and there is something between them and the chipboard floor but I don't think it's 6mm thick. The tile job is not the best. Not completely flat and inconsistent spacing. Was planning to keep them as I figured reflooring was a big effort and vinyl panks would be a downgrade?

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#2473680 29-Apr-2020 21:30

Tiles are a pain as other people mentioned, but no chance I'd do a bathroom without them. :)

Depends on budget, but in my view, you can upmarket a room with nice but inexpensive tiles. Get someone who really knows what they are doing, poorly put in tiling looks the worst of anything in a bathroom I think.

It's like painters and plasterers, you want the best you can afford.

Gemini

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#2474910 1-May-2020 16:57

What's the difference between the cheaper no brand box showers and a clearlite/englefield?

Huntakillaz

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#2476784 5-May-2020 10:19

What would you use I place of tiles?
Anything out there that give the look and feel of premium as tiles do without the set backs?
Plain melamine walls don't look that appealing

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#2476831 5-May-2020 11:24

used vinyl tile flooring in our laundry. did it myself was only $140 from bunnings (would be $70, but needed slightly more than 1 box).

photo of floor

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Gemini

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#2485804 18-May-2020 18:35

Hmmm, bought a ceramic on-bench sink from a guy out of Auckland and its not straight and square ... unfortunately it was the only one big enough to cover the hole left by the in-bench sink so not sure what to do now...

Gemini

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#2499298 5-Jun-2020 21:50

Gemini: Big reno, here's the plan I sent to the Plumber

Phase 1 Ensuite and Laundry.
Replace ensuite toilet, sink and mixer, replace plumbing to existing shower.
Replace laundry tub. It will have taps for washing machine so eliminate washing machine wall taps.

Phase 2 Bathroom and WC
Swap locations of bathroom (existing) shower and (new freestanding) bath, replace sink and mixer.
Replace WC Toilet, sink and mixer.

Ensuite and Bathroom are also getting replacement lighting, heated towel rails, switches and sockets
Ensuite is getting Vinyl plank flooring, so is close to a total do over... for a room we never use :/
Never use the bath either

Two things I'm grappling with:
- whether to replace Bathroom and Ensuite vanities completely. Plan above is just new sinks and mixers. They are a bit tired and a little outdated but the Bathroom one is 1800W and they are very expensive. Missues wants the 900W Ensuite vanity to match so wants to keep that.
- wall tiles ... look great but is it worth it? Also can they be stuck to painted gib with a waterproof adhesive?

Update
Plan changes. After using room layout software decided against swapping the locations of shoulder and bath. Decided against replacing the bath too. Tiling the ensuite floor now as that is what the other rooms have. Recarpeting the house too!

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