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benfolds

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#293600 1-Feb-2022 15:38
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Hi,

 

 

 

First time re-staining my deck. I have used some deck cleaner and a water blaster which has removed some of the flakier bits of paint/stain. 

 

 

 

See the photo

 

 

 

 

If I now re-stain it will it come out even as some of the timber still has the original stain and some of it is now bare? 

 

 

 

Thanks for any advice!


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  #2860116 1-Feb-2022 16:05
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looks like a water based decking oil. This type of thing, though every brand has one: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/cabot-s-10l-waterbased-kwila-aquadeck-decking-oil_p0012774 

 

Yeah I hate them as they leave a surface coating. 

 

From what I've been lead to believe you can recoat with the same stuff, and it will build up new layers and look ok, but I've never done it myself.


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  #2860118 1-Feb-2022 16:06
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Based on experience, if you do the same colour it'll do an OK job of covering, but you'll need a couple of decent coats to make it more even. 





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  #2860133 1-Feb-2022 16:35
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I have used water based decking oil on our outdoor furniture and it does look quite good after a couple of coats.




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  #2860165 1-Feb-2022 17:33
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The more coats you do the less noticable it will be, but you'll still see it.

 

First time i reapplied i used a small artists brush to only stain the bare wood in between the old stain, then after a few coats then redid everything else.  Never bothered with that ball ache again.

 

I have been BITTERLY disappointed with the water based "stains", no better than paint really, only lasts 1-2 years on traffic areas, and once it flakes you end up with a patchy redo.  Wish i'd never believed the salesman.


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  #2860187 1-Feb-2022 17:59
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"water based decking oil"

Sounds like an oxymoron!


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  #2860571 2-Feb-2022 11:31
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Mehrts:

 

"water based decking oil"

Sounds like an oxymoron!

 

 

Yeah the naming of this stuff is bizarre.

 

Deck stain isn't stain at all, it's acrylic paint with translucent pigment. 

 

Water based deck oil isn't oil at all, it's acrylic paint with no pigment. 


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  #2860580 2-Feb-2022 11:40
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FYI, there is a third option which is "water borne" - as I understand it, it's a penetrating oil stain but encapsulated in a water-based solvent. So when it dries, it's an oil stain stain but you can clean up brushes in water. Good stuff, but mostly aimed at fences and cladding rather than decks.

 

https://shop.resene.co.nz/resene-waterborne-woodsman

 

 




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  #2860637 2-Feb-2022 13:45
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I used this product on my macrocarpa pergola and garden bed. The colour is Kowhai and raised bed has had 2 coats and on its second season.
Its water based and there is no runoff after it got rained on.  Heaps easier to clean up.

 

https://www.wattyl.co.nz/product/wattyl-forestwood-aquatech-oil-stain/

 


Not maybe the best for the OP as his deck  is already stained. Maybe best to sand down to bare wood then stain.

 

No flaking on surface observed and the stain seems to have penetrated well 
But that was on fresh macrocarpa  My 2 cents if it is of any help.

 

 

 


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  #2860687 2-Feb-2022 14:44
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qwertee:

 

I used this product on my macrocarpa pergola and garden bed. The colour is Kowhai and raised bed has had 2 coats and on its second season.
Its water based and there is no runoff after it got rained on.  Heaps easier to clean up.

 

https://www.wattyl.co.nz/product/wattyl-forestwood-aquatech-oil-stain/

 


Not maybe the best for the OP as his deck  is already stained. Maybe best to sand down to bare wood then stain.

 

No flaking on surface observed and the stain seems to have penetrated well 
But that was on fresh macrocarpa  My 2 cents if it is of any help.

 

 


I'm in the same boat as the OP (except previous owner went bumpy side up), and picked this stuff too, but will likely be removing one of my decks, so I have an unopened 10L tin of this stuff in the colour 'Redwood' if someone is interested. Special price for a GZ member of course :)


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  #2860747 2-Feb-2022 15:45
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mdf:

 

FYI, there is a third option which is "water borne" - as I understand it, it's a penetrating oil stain but encapsulated in a water-based solvent. So when it dries, it's an oil stain stain but you can clean up brushes in water. Good stuff, but mostly aimed at fences and cladding rather than decks.

 

https://shop.resene.co.nz/resene-waterborne-woodsman

 

 

 

 

That stuff is also acrylic paint, if you look at the datasheet. 


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  #2860758 2-Feb-2022 15:56
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elbrownos:

 

mdf:

 

FYI, there is a third option which is "water borne" - as I understand it, it's a penetrating oil stain but encapsulated in a water-based solvent. So when it dries, it's an oil stain stain but you can clean up brushes in water. Good stuff, but mostly aimed at fences and cladding rather than decks.

 

https://shop.resene.co.nz/resene-waterborne-woodsman

 

 

 

 

That stuff is also acrylic paint, if you look at the datasheet. 

 

 

Having just applied 20-odd litres of it over the past week, it absolutely isn't acrylic paint. It's a fully penetrating stain, cf. a film barrier paint or film clear coat/varnish/urethane.


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  #2860760 2-Feb-2022 15:58
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Following this topic - I have a similar situation to OP


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  #2863348 8-Feb-2022 09:43
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I had to wait for the weather to clear up but yesterday & put on one layer of the water based deck oil on one of the worst parts of the deck to see what it looked like. Not sure if I put another 2 or 3 coats on if it would look much better?

 

Otherwise I assume I will have to use a timber stripper and then sand it back to remove the original oil/stain completely back to bare wood. It is a shame as parts of the deck are still in pretty good condition. Any advice?


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  #2863438 8-Feb-2022 11:08
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Looks like you will probably need to be sanding that down unfortunately.

 

I'm in the middle of a similar situation myself. I have no idea what's on my deck as it was applied by the previous owners. Pretty sure it's not oil based as it has come off a bit unevenly, but not in nearly such a flaky way as yours has. I've also recently replaced a bunch of boards so have some with no stain on them at all, so overall a bit of a challenge to get a uniform finish. I decided I needed to go for something heavily pigmented to stand a chance, so I've just applied one coat of this stuff in a fairly dark grey tint (Tiri). Didn't do any sanding beforehand as I can't be bothered to be quite honest. Fairly happy with the result as it's evened things up nicely but I'll definitely need a second coat for a properly uniform finish. Hoping it won't take a third...

 

Photo shows the old stain in the foreground, new Woodsman in the background, and unstained new boards on the steps.

 

 

Maybe the wood makes a difference to how the stain goes on (and comes off)? Mine is kwila, yours looks like pine?

 

Also I don't really understand what a "hybrid waterborne alkyd stain" is but it's definitely not just paint. It's translucent, dries with no brush strokes and has clearly soaked into the wood in a way that paint doesn't. Resene told me not to use the standard waterborne stain on a deck as it can't stand up to foot traffic but apparently this stuff can.


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  #2863526 8-Feb-2022 11:59
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Yea you need to sand it down first, like I had to do. You can see too much of the old stain.


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