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cateyes

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#306616 7-Aug-2023 18:08
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I have one recessed light frame which has some broken bits as shown in the pasture, so it fell off the ceiling. I need to replace it but without the light itself. I've checked out with Mitre 10 and J.A. Russell Ltd they don't have the same size.

 

The cut-out on the ceiling is about 75mm.

 

The Dimension of my old recessed light frame is

 

Inside: about 70~71mm

 

Outside: 85mm

 

Anyone knows where I can buy this kind of or similar recessed light frame? Thank you.

 


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  #3112930 7-Aug-2023 18:16
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I found this on AliExpress which looks similar to what I need, but the size doesn't match. It's hard to find the right size on AliExpress too.

 

Surface Mounting Frame MR16 GU10 Base Socket Lighting Fixture Modern Aluminum White Nickel Recessed Spotlight - AliExpress




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  #3112937 7-Aug-2023 19:03
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Why not replace with something like this:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/arlec-6w-tri-colour-led-dimmable-downlight_p0430297

 

They loo much nicer than the ones holding a bulb, and eliminate the convection drafts into your roof space


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  #3112972 7-Aug-2023 19:53
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Unless this particular unit has been abused, I'd expect the rest of them will likely fail in a similar way and would also suggest replacing them.

 

More than $US0.52 from China, obviously, but downlights are extremely cheap these days.




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  #3113544 8-Aug-2023 22:14
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shk292:

 

Why not replace with something like this:

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/arlec-6w-tri-colour-led-dimmable-downlight_p0430297

 

They loo much nicer than the ones holding a bulb, and eliminate the convection drafts into your roof space

 

 

Firstly with the option of holding a bulb, it's always easy to change the bulb if needed. Otherwise with the downlights, I may have to go up into the ceiling to sort them out in some cases. I've been really sick of fixing problems up in the roof, especially those lights on the ceiling close to the external walls. Some places so close and the space is too small in the roof, I cannot reach them. The experience was horrible.

 

Secondly, those downlights might not fit with the existing connectors, so will require to get an electrician to do the job, I guess. That would be too expensive for such a tiny job. I need to double check with this though.


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  #3113545 8-Aug-2023 22:20
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SirHumphreyAppleby:

 

Unless this particular unit has been abused, I'd expect the rest of them will likely fail in a similar way and would also suggest replacing them.

 

More than $US0.52 from China, obviously, but downlights are extremely cheap these days.

 

 

One challenge is it isn't that straight forward to find the right size on AliExpress 😒. On the other hand, they aren't so cheap here.


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  #3113548 8-Aug-2023 22:39
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cateyes:

 

Secondly, those downlights might not fit with the existing connectors, so will require to get an electrician to do the job, I guess. That would be too expensive for such a tiny job. I need to double check with this though.

 

 

The referenced Downlights have a 240V 3 pin cord on them, Your ones have a 12V transformer and a 12v MR16 Lamp holder lead, 

 

 

 

BUT, the 12 v transformer is wired off a 240V cable, 

 

As a home owner you are legally permitted to replace your light fittings, so you are able to remove the transformer and  connect the new downlight directly to the 240V cable 

 

https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/managing-health-and-safety/consumers/safe-living-with-electricity/getting-electrical-work-done/doing-your-own-electrical-work/

 

you'll just need some of this 

 

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3114386 10-Aug-2023 23:17
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wellygary:

 

cateyes:

 

Secondly, those downlights might not fit with the existing connectors, so will require to get an electrician to do the job, I guess. That would be too expensive for such a tiny job. I need to double check with this though.

 

 

The referenced Downlights have a 240V 3 pin cord on them, Your ones have a 12V transformer and a 12v MR16 Lamp holder lead, 

 

 

 

BUT, the 12 v transformer is wired off a 240V cable, 

 

As a home owner you are legally permitted to replace your light fittings, so you are able to remove the transformer and  connect the new downlight directly to the 240V cable 

 

https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/managing-health-and-safety/consumers/safe-living-with-electricity/getting-electrical-work-done/doing-your-own-electrical-work/

 

you'll just need some of this 

 

 

 

Thank you for the info. What is the name of that thing in the picture you gave?

 


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  #3114391 11-Aug-2023 00:43
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They are electrical wire connectors - you cut them into singles or smaller blocks of two or three, depending on the number of wires on the job - one connector per wire. Brass/metal connectors inside insulating plastic housings.

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/narva-50a-connector-strip_p0104101

 

However you may well not need them at all. If you are replacing a common LED ‘driver/transformer + light fitting’ set, just disconnect the existing driver from the mains cable - and replace it with the new driver/light set. The connector is integrated into the end of the driver. IANA sparkie but I recently replaced a dozen LED sets for a friend/neighbour under the like-for-like ‘homeowner’ rule.

 

 





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  #3114409 11-Aug-2023 07:14
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wellygary:

cateyes:


Secondly, those downlights might not fit with the existing connectors, so will require to get an electrician to do the job, I guess. That would be too expensive for such a tiny job. I need to double check with this though.



The referenced Downlights have a 240V 3 pin cord on them, Your ones have a 12V transformer and a 12v MR16 Lamp holder lead, 


 


BUT, the 12 v transformer is wired off a 240V cable, 


As a home owner you are legally permitted to replace your light fittings, so you are able to remove the transformer and  connect the new downlight directly to the 240V cable 


https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/managing-health-and-safety/consumers/safe-living-with-electricity/getting-electrical-work-done/doing-your-own-electrical-work/


you'll just need some of this 



 


Where were you suggesting the connectors be used. You can't connect 230v cables and leave them floating in mid air. 230v connections must be in an enclosure of some sort.

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  #3114423 11-Aug-2023 08:54
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How about these. Found them after a 10-sec google for "led downlight 75 mm". That was the first one I saw - i'm guessing there will be lots of others.

 

 





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  #3114430 11-Aug-2023 09:24
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Maybe it's just the angle, but that light housing looks it has been distorted by heat.  Those little hot bulbs scare me.  We had them in our apartment.  They produced enough heat to discolour the insulation on the wires.

 

I got them all replaced with small LED units designed to fit into the same cut out.  





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  #3114435 11-Aug-2023 09:44
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wellygary:

 

As a home owner you are legally permitted to replace your light fittings, so you are able to remove the transformer and  connect the new downlight directly to the 240V cable 

 

https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/managing-health-and-safety/consumers/safe-living-with-electricity/getting-electrical-work-done/doing-your-own-electrical-work/

 

you'll just need some of this 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you need an enclosed junction so that no primary insulation is exposed. If you just leave the chocolate block connector in the roof space that is not how its done.

 

But better still, get the proper sockets and plug the light in so that when the cheap piece of LED junk fails its a simple swap out. There are smaller ones that will fit thru a MR16 sized hole just fine.





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  #3114452 11-Aug-2023 10:46
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The ones I bought from Bunnings have a removable three-pin plug and lead attached.  So if you have sockets, plug them in.  If no sockets, disconnect two wires from existing fitting and connect to new fitting in place of the supplied lead.

 

I didn't need to access the roof space - just undid the clips holding the existing fittings, extracted them from the hole in the ceiling, changed to the new fitting and refitted in the hole.  About 10 min per fitting once you've isolated power

 

I did a whole heap of these in my house around 10 years ago (the earlier ones were from JA Russell at much higher cost) and have yet to have one fail or go dim

 

If you don't trust yourself to connect two wires using a screwdriver, or have trouble identifying when power to a circuit is isolated, then best to get a professional in - not an area to take chances


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  #3114675 11-Aug-2023 14:21
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If you are in Auckland i believe i still have a load of these sitting in a drawer in my garage.

 

I have been pretty sick with a crap flu this week so havnt popped up to measure them.


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  #3114862 11-Aug-2023 23:01
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eracode:

 

IANA sparkie but I recently replaced a dozen LED sets for a friend/neighbour under the like-for-like ‘homeowner’ rule.

 

 

So you did electical work for someone else, not your own property?  That is illegal - only the occupier or owner can do work on their own home.  Anyone else must be a registered electrician.  You can give someone else advice on how to do things, but you can not do any of the work at all.


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