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MurrayM

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#311145 18-Dec-2023 09:35
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I've live in Auckland and recently moved into a new rental property that uses gas for the kitchen hob and a gas fire. This is the first time I've ever lived anywhere that uses gas so I'm pretty unfamiliar with how it all works. The house is hooked up to mains gas (eg not bottles). After we moved in I signed up with Frank Energy for power and gas (I figured it was easier to use one provider that offered both) and they arranged for someone to come around and hook up the meter to the supply.

 

I've now received my first gas bill and it's quite a lot more than I was expecting. Power is $70 and gas is $80. I know I pay a daily charge for the gas ($1.35/day) but then the invoice has gas used at $31. I thought this was really high, until I noticed that it's an estimate reading and not an actual reading. I guess maybe they've based their estimate on a typical family home and that's why it's so high, and when we get an actual reading it'll be a lot less and they'll sort out the large estimate (just like I'm used to how the Auckland water bills work).

 

I had a look at the gas meter and it has a digital readout on it which made me think that it might work the same as the digital power meters and be reporting usage back to the power company on a regular basis. Do gas meters not work like this? Should I expect someone to turn up and read the meter every month? Or is it every second month like the water?


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  #3172941 18-Dec-2023 10:40
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I live in Wellington, and my meter gets read every two months. The estimates in the interim months can be pretty random.

 

I seem to recall a while ago one of the big energy companies was planning to do mass replacements of gas meters with new ones supporting telemetry, but it never happened in my neighbourhood. 




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  #3172944 18-Dec-2023 10:46
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Ah, so just because it's a digital meter doesn't necessarily mean that it can be read remotely?


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  #3172950 18-Dec-2023 11:08
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MurrayM:

 

Should I expect someone to turn up and read the meter every month? Or is it every second month like the water?

 

 

Pretty sure the standard reading for Gas Meters is bi monthly -

 

+1 on  the "big promise" of remote meter reading.. all turned into a big fat nothing for us in wellington 




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  #3172951 18-Dec-2023 11:10
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Does it feed only your gas hob and fire place? or do you perhaps have a gas HWC?


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  #3172954 18-Dec-2023 11:38
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Silvrav:

 

Does it feed only your gas hob and fire place? or do you perhaps have a gas HWC?

 

 

Just the hob and fireplace. There's a new electric hot water cylinder. Hardly seems worth using the gas for just two appliances (one appliance really since we plan on using the heat pump and not the fireplace in winter). But we need to be able to use the hob and short of getting the landlord to replace the hob (which was newly installed just before we moved in) with an electric one I guess we're stuck with it.


  #3172960 18-Dec-2023 11:39
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wellygary:

MurrayM:


Should I expect someone to turn up and read the meter every month? Or is it every second month like the water?



Pretty sure the standard reading for Gas Meters is bi monthly -


+1 on  the "big promise" of remote meter reading.. all turned into a big fat nothing for us in wellington 



I’m in Wellington we have a ‘smart’ gas meter that is read remotely.

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  #3172970 18-Dec-2023 12:00
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We have found the same, the gas estimates are way off. There'll be a high month then a low month. You can compare the actual reading on your meter against your bill to determine if you're ahead or behind the estimate. 

 

 

 

On a still day have a sniff around the meter - we found ours was leaking. 

 

 

 

Are you sure the rental you're in doesn't have gas hot water? As the usage you stated is more in line with having hot water on gas. 

 

 

 

I would advise against using the gas fireplace if you can avoid it - they are terrible for indoor air quality and increase damp in the home. 


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  #3172971 18-Dec-2023 12:02
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MurrayM:

 

...There's a new electric hot water cylinder...

 

 

The estimate may be based on what was used by the previous tenants last year, and that could have included a gas hot water cylinder. 


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  #3172976 18-Dec-2023 12:14
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cddt:

 

The estimate may be based on what was used by the previous tenants last year, and that could have included a gas hot water cylinder. 

 

 

Yeah that makes sense. 100% sure it's an electric cylinder, that's what the property manager told us and the switchboard has a fuse marked "Hot Water".

 

My wife is asthmatic so we won't be using the gas fireplace.

 

I contacted Frank Energy and they confirmed that a meter reader will come every second month but that if I wanted to supply a photo of the meter then I could. I took a photo and sent it to them and they've redone the invoice and it's come out lower.


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If the place has a heatpump, I'd be requesting to change the hob to induction.
You're paying just under $500 a year just to have gas connected.
For only cooking with gas I'd expect not much more than $200 in gas.




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  #3173111 18-Dec-2023 16:01
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mentalinc: If the place has a heatpump, I'd be requesting to change the hob to induction.
You're paying just under $500 a year just to have gas connected.
For only cooking with gas I'd expect not much more than $200 in gas.

 

Or see about switching from mains gas to using a 9kg bottle. The bbq bottle is perfect if you're just cooking.


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  #3173113 18-Dec-2023 16:10
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pom532:

 

mentalinc: If the place has a heatpump, I'd be requesting to change the hob to induction.
You're paying just under $500 a year just to have gas connected.
For only cooking with gas I'd expect not much more than $200 in gas.

 

Or see about switching from mains gas to using a 9kg bottle. The bbq bottle is perfect if you're just cooking.

 

 

Good idea! I guess I'd need a gas fitter to rig that up. Do you think it would just connect where the gas meter connects to the house?


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  #3173115 18-Dec-2023 16:16
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pom532:

 

Or see about switching from mains gas to using a 9kg bottle. The bbq bottle is perfect if you're just cooking.

 

 

Just be aware generally its not a straight swap of the inlet fuel...

 

You'll need to change to gas outlets on the stove and possibly also the appliance's regulator....

 

 


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  #3173116 18-Dec-2023 16:16
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Since it's a rental you'll need the landlord's approval, at a minimum. 

 

 

 

We used this guy before and I'd call him again if we need anything: https://www.youngmanplumbing.co.nz/gasfitting 


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  #3173123 18-Dec-2023 16:34
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wellygary:

 

pom532:

 

Or see about switching from mains gas to using a 9kg bottle. The bbq bottle is perfect if you're just cooking.

 

 

Just be aware generally its not a straight swap of the inlet fuel...

 

You'll need to change to gas outlets on the stove and possibly also the appliance's regulator....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alternatively you can buy a cheap induction hob, and get the gas connection turned off if that is possible. I have gas hobs but mainly use an induction hob instead and hardly use any gas at all.  It seems a bit odd that they wouldn't be using gas for the hot water heating because that may work out cheaper for the tenant if it is mains gas, and more convenient with whole home instant on demand water heating .


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