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LukeLuke

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#311520 23-Jan-2024 22:00
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Hi
Would love some advice on a DIY project I've dived into that's now keeping me up at night.

We've got a cool 1970's Mid Century style house and have always wanted to cover an internal cinder block wall in our lounge with stone. Think ya Palm Springs, 60's styled Hollywood style. Managed to score some stone from a mason for crazy cheap and in the weekend have fool-hardly started installing the stone. The wall is completely internal with no sides exposed to the exterior so there's no issue with water getting anywhere near it.

Having watched countless youtube videos of similar style projects I felt reasonably confident enough that I could do the job.

Where the issue lies is that the cinder block wall we have has been painted. Spoke to a couple of tradesman and a bloke from Placemakers and they said if the paint job is solid and not completely smooth then modern day glue like Liquid Nails Extreme strength will be fine for the job. Says on the package that this glue is fine for any masonry or concrete work.

I understand stuff like this is quite a debatable topic with traditionalists preferring the mortar route vs modern day glues being so much superior than they used to be and make for a cleaner and easier job.

Well like a bull in a china shop, that was enough for me to get started however, I've now found out from further research that I should have stripped the paint from the wall to expose the cinder block.

Im about a quarter of the way through the job and all of the stones that I have installed are as solid as anything. Been over 48 hours now and have used my full strength to try and pry them off and there is absolutely no budging them. In my head, once I grouted between the stones that would then add another layer of adhesion as well.

Questions that I'm now replaying over and over in my head are...

1. Am I running a risk of the stones eventually coming away from the paint? And falling off and landing on someone!?!
2. Should I strip the paint from the rest of the wall, exposing the cinder blocks that dont have stone on them and from there its all plain sailing?
3. Have I really stuffed up and do I need to start from scratch. Somehow pull the stones that have been laid, strip the wall and apologise to the wife for being too eager to do the job?

The stones are a limestone and have been cut with back face dead smooth. Couldn't tell ya the individual weights but the maximum depth on some of them would be 30-40mm. Have been applying liberal amounts of glue, pushing them in place, removing them for a couple of minutes and then re-applying them back on the wall.

Didn't do a full bottom course as needed to come up with a plan for how they connect with the floor. Carpet will be one day be replaced with flooring so didnt wanna go to carpet. Easy to find and/or cut the right pieces to for the bottom course.


This is turning into quite the essay. Will leave it there but any tips would be hugely appreciated.


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pih

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  #3185705 23-Jan-2024 22:11
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I am not a tradie, just another DIY'er. So take my opinion the way you would any other random joker on the internet.

If the paint job is solid as you say then I think you have nothing to worry about.



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  #3185736 24-Jan-2024 05:03
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pih:

 

1:  I am not a tradie, just another DIY'er. So take my opinion the way you would any other random joker on the internet.

2: If the paint job is solid as you say then I think you have nothing to worry about.

 

 

Ditto for me on 1 and 2. If you can’t pull the stone off after 48 hours, it’s hard to imagine the paint will fail later and allow the stone to fall off.





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  #3185754 24-Jan-2024 08:04
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What are you going to do with all the gaps between the rocks? Are they going to be filled somehow?




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  #3185756 24-Jan-2024 08:18
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My only DIY comment would be that previous houses we have owned that have been concrete block would get condensation on the blocks. Whether this would affect the glue or not..

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  #3185768 24-Jan-2024 09:16
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If it was mine I would leave what’s already been done alone apart from fill in some of the larger gaps and just treat the rest of the paint which could possibly (who knows) fail because of dampness/ condensation behind it and a decent earthquake. 

 

Maybe rough it up with a wire brush on a drill tool (no idea what they are called) just to give more grip to the glue on the wall and it would also have the effect of showing a more natural colour through the cracks between the stones rather than white and which I probably wouldn’t grout if you do such a good job of keeping the stones close. Since you are sticking them with glue rather than mortar it would probably be stronger as well. On the already finished part you could paint the white bits that show with a thin brush and some cement and water so the background would match what you wire brush. 

 

I admit to making a small two brick high perimeter barrier outside using no more nails instead of cement. Set rock solid and not as messy as cement. 

 

Nice job must have taken a lot of patience. 


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  #3185794 24-Jan-2024 09:57
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Enthusiastic amateur DIY observations...

 

Removing paint from blockwork is a stone cold PITA. I had to do it on an exterior wall for waterproofing purposes and it is not fun. Combination of very slow going with a heat gun and scraper, and angle grinder and strip discs. Horrible job, horrible mess. Would highly recommend avoiding unless definitely required.

 

Liquid nails sticks to paint, but obviously only to the paint, not whatever the underlying substate is. So the stones' bond is (at best) only as strong as the paint's bond to the blocks. If you've wailed on it and it hasn't shifted that is a good sign - the paint must have been prepped and applied properly. But not sure about long term adhesion?

 

But what are you planning on filling the gaps with? As I understand it, standard mortar binds mechanically and needs a porous surface to stick to - so wouldn't stick to paint. Might be worthwhile testing somewhere inconspicuous before continuing? But maybe there are more modern acrylics that look like mortar and will stick to paint?


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  #3185798 24-Jan-2024 10:02
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maybe just scuff up the paint so not to remove all of it, but enough the block is through.  

 

 

 

but I wouldnt remove all of it.  not even most of it.   


 
 
 

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  #3187090 27-Jan-2024 00:24
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Thanks everyone for the advice. Never ceases to amaze me the power of the internet and the ability to connect with strangers across the world over hair brained DIY jobs.

Bit the bullet and have spent the last 3 nights stripping and scrapping, stripping and scrapping and have managed to get a fair chunk of the paint off and expose the block work.

Do you legends think that would be enough to now continue adhering the stones as i was? Theres speckles of paint still on each block but the majority is back to concrete. Surface feels like 80 grit sandpaper.

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  #3187096 27-Jan-2024 03:20
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I think you’ve gone beyond what might have been needed - great job. Just go for it now. 👍





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  #3187411 27-Jan-2024 15:10
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BlargHonk:

 

What are you going to do with all the gaps between the rocks? Are they going to be filled somehow?

 

I'm curious as to the answer for this question too.  Grout?  Copious amounts of grout?  If not copious amounts then I'm wondering how to keep it clean from dust.





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LukeLuke

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  #3187418 27-Jan-2024 15:37
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Im planning on filling the larger gaps with smaller stones and then grouting between each stone.

The goal is something like this


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  #3187441 27-Jan-2024 16:55
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Along the base, a nice piece of polyed timber would look nice and suit the style.  Would also allow the removal of carpet.





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