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mrhaboobi

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#315746 12-Aug-2024 12:00
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HI all.  

 

This might be a stupid question but im trying to understand how NZ hot water systems and ripple control work.

 

We are on a Day Night plan.  But finding our hot water is turning on during the day.  We are in chch.  The delta ripple control box shows that module is installed in position 2 which is Night Only According the the details.

 

Last night i could see that we had power to the water tank at 8pm.  ( used a voltage meter and out power bill sky rocketing was the reason for looking at this) The outside module  was showing that green indicator in the off position.  

 

 

My assumption was that with the ripple control that our hot water would only come on at night time.  We have a manual boost switch which is installed that allow us to provide an hour at a time boost throughout the day if we needed it.  but this seems to be ignored.

 

 

This has no timers set no programs, it purely is a boost switch which turns the timer and hence the tank on, and turns off after an hour.  

 

Im in contact with an electrician, our power company and Orion but would like to better understand how a normal water tank is wired and how this interacts with the night ripple mode. My assumption was that no power would be supplied to the tank given the settings, and that only from say 11pm -7am would the tank have a chance to heat.  

 

What am i overlooking?  or what does i understand, and is this something an electrician needs to resolve, or could it be a network thing?  for contact i believe the set up was working before Feb 28th ( i need to review our power further back to confirm ) but we had the circuit trip on the 28th due to element blowing, which was repaired but since that event we are seeing larger KW usage in blocks between 12 - 4 .  to my knowledge nothing was changed on the the panel or water meter on that day.  

 

Any education on this would help please :)   

 

thanks

 

 


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  #3270852 12-Aug-2024 14:26
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You need Anytime 24 + Controlled Night (ripple) or if you keep Day/Night plan then you need to put a timer on HWC circuit.





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  #3270855 12-Aug-2024 14:48
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Orion's Ripple control info is here,  it comes with a bunch of options, - find out from your retailer which plan you are on, 

 

https://www.oriongroup.co.nz/assets/Be-prepared/Orion-ripple-control-summary-2021.pdf

 

 


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  #3270857 12-Aug-2024 14:59
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You may simply be seeing Night Boost between 12 and 4 on either plan which uses day rate on Day/Night.





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mrhaboobi

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  #3270865 12-Aug-2024 16:11
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Right so we are on this plan 

 

EVERYDAY ECONOMY FIXED RATE PLAN

 

But since the time we have moved into the property we always said we should be on a day night plan, where the water cylinder heats only at night at the cheaper rates.  We specifically had a day time manual boost switch installed to give us a boost on the rare occasion we needed more water.  

 

Is this not a thing anymore?  


mrhaboobi

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  #3270866 12-Aug-2024 16:13
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Spyware:

 

You may simply be seeing Night Boost between 12 and 4 on either plan which uses day rate on Day/Night.

 

 

 

 

We didnt want a boost automatically, to my knowledge it was just Night time rates for the water heater .  we cant from a world with night store heaters and so our water cylinder was being treated the same way.  we didnt need timers etc for the night store, it just came on and off

 

 


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  #3270901 12-Aug-2024 18:52
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mrhaboobi:

 

Right so we are on this plan 

 

EVERYDAY ECONOMY FIXED RATE PLAN

 

But since the time we have moved into the property we always said we should be on a day night plan, where the water cylinder heats only at night at the cheaper rates.  We specifically had a day time manual boost switch installed to give us a boost on the rare occasion we needed more water.  

 

Is this not a thing anymore?  

 

 

It is a thing. I'm on Anytime 24 + Controlled Night with Mercury and have a timer to boost the HWC when required. Mercury say the Controlled Night includes Night Boost but I haven't noticed any evidence of that. Meridian have the same options, i.e., Economy 24 + Controlled Night.





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  #3270904 12-Aug-2024 19:04
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P.S. If you are on a plan that has Controlled Night your power bill should have two separate readings.





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  #3270962 13-Aug-2024 10:14
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I had one of these Wiser modules put on my hotwater power point so I could control the hot water as required. That website is a bit pricey but you should be able to find them for less than what you'll be charged to have the meter reprogrammed (usually $150 each time they connect to it...)





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mrhaboobi

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  #3270966 13-Aug-2024 10:31
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So been monitoring the performance of the unit..

 

yesterday everything worked as expected

 

11pm cylinder came on , ripple controller showed on

 

7am cylinder went off, ripple showed off

 

at 6pm i was also able to test the boost switch and that worked as expected.

 

Did message Orion yesterday morning to ask about the situation i was having the prior days ( power to the tank throughout the day ) not sure if they could have changed something remotely, but also found that the Actuals ( meter reading results for the 12th )  didn't make it to meridian overnight which also was different as every other day i could see results almost instantly.

 

What this tells me is that that house is wired correctly.  i just don't understand how it was getting power at 8pm and other times.. strange.


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