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timbosan

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#319360 17-Apr-2025 18:27
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Hey all,

I am in the final stages of planning my solar install, and now working on placement including tilt angles.  My dilemma is that my house faces east / west, and the roof has 4 different angles.  My current plan is to take advantage of the largest section, which is the flattest and largest space, and west facing.

So, my options are:

1. More panels (9 in total on this section) laid flat (or maybe 5 degrees tilt north)
2. More panels (6, maybe 8 at a stretch) but tilted @ 30 degrees

The challenge with option 1 is the sun angle being less than optimal.  The panels would have 200mm between them (when looking from the north)
The challenge with option 2 is potential shading and hence reduced output, especially outside of summer.  There would be around 400mm between the panels if I go with 8 of them (when looking from the north)

For reference, the original quote I had from Harrisons only had 6 panels on this section, and when I asked I was told it was due to sun angles and shading.

I also plan on a second string facing east - these will be laid on a sloped section (around 40 degrees at a guess) but laid flat so would get all the morning sun.

For reference, the rest of the system is:

Hybrid 6kw Deye inverter
No battery to start with
More panels are planned

I am also planning on installing the panels myself.


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  #3365090 17-Apr-2025 20:46
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You will need more info like a satellite image of your place and maybe some photos from the ground so people can help you better.

 

 

 

A pictures speaks a thousand words




timbosan

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  #3365096 17-Apr-2025 21:12
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Fair point!  

Here is a photo with north straight up.  The section with the 2 x 3 panels is 5700mm wide and 4.0m deep.  This is the one I am starting with.  The panels on the front of the house are the second string.  The third set - the ones facing east, might come later.

Panels I am looking at are 1722 x 1134.


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  #3365100 17-Apr-2025 21:47
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timbosan:

 

.  The third set - the ones facing east, might come later.

 

Did you mean 3rd set west? 

 

How long before the trees on the street frontage shade the house?




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  #3365113 18-Apr-2025 06:42
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Bung:

 

timbosan:

 

.  The third set - the ones facing east, might come later.

 

Did you mean 3rd set west? 

 

How long before the trees on the street frontage shade the house?

 



Yes, 3rd set the is the west facing set of 5.

The shading at the front depends on 2 things:

1. Trimming - these trees get trimmed regularly but are overdue
2. Season - in Jan / Feb, by 10am there is no shading.  

Right now it's now - with our being trimmed and in April its closer to 11am / 12pm.


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  #3367341 25-Apr-2025 09:28
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Have you modelled this using data from the Niwa SolarView site. You can do a comparison for each roof plane for the 12 months so you get an idea of how each will perform.

 

https://solarview.niwa.co.nz/

 

 





Otautahi Christchurch


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  #3367363 25-Apr-2025 10:45
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If I remember correctly it's not recommended to have panels laid flat, as it increasing soiling and water pooling on them. I think some panels will even have a requirement in the warranty for a minimal angle of 5-10 degrees to allow water run-off.


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  #3367366 25-Apr-2025 10:55
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fastbike:

 

Have you modelled this using data from the Niwa SolarView site. You can do a comparison for each roof plane for the 12 months so you get an idea of how each will perform.

 

https://solarview.niwa.co.nz/

 



Hi, sorry yes I have done this.  I have started with just the panels on the very back, and with the planned 30 degree tilt.  This is the outcome from SolarView.







 
 
 

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  #3367367 25-Apr-2025 10:58
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eonsim:

 

If I remember correctly it's not recommended to have panels laid flat, as it increasing soiling and water pooling on them. I think some panels will even have a requirement in the warranty for a minimal angle of 5-10 degrees to allow water run-off.

 



I assume you mean flat as in 0 degrees? I don't have a perfectly flat roof - the back (facing west) has a small slope, and the middle section is steeper and facing east / west.

But good point, should ALL panels be titled towards the north, even ones laid on an east/west sloping roof?


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  #3367372 25-Apr-2025 11:36
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timbosan:But good point, should ALL panels be titled towards the north, even ones laid on an east/west sloping roof?

 

 

Not necessary IMO. 

 

Our house faces 14 degrees west of true north, panels are in 3 rows at 26,19,12 degrees tilt.

 

Garage is 14 degrees south of west, panels are in 2 rows at 25, 18 degrees tilt.

 

Both give good output, although garage output falls off a bit more than house over the winter as you would expect with the "south" facing tilt.

 

If you start angling the tilt off the roof you get a very marginal increase in output with a significant increase in mechanical complexity/cost.





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  #3367373 25-Apr-2025 11:38
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They don't all need to be tilted north, for east/west just angled in that direction works well. North gives optimal but concentrated power. As in the power generation starts later, and finishes earlier but peaks 10-20% higher, than east/west panels. While east panels start/finish earlier and west panels start/finish later. Having east/west panels tends to result in a couple of hours extra solar generation in exchange for a 10% or so reduction in total possible generation. If your on a time of use electricity plan those extra hours of generation can be worth significantly more during peak hours than the extra generation at mid day from an all north setup.

 

All north is maximum energy minimum value, east/west is lesser energy but more valuable (typically, assuming no shading etc).


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  #3367377 25-Apr-2025 12:04
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BTW, here is the roof profile, with me facing approximately north (slightly west, say NNW).

Back of the house is on the left.  You can see there are 4 sections:

Back (flat)
Back (sloped)
Front (sloped)
Front (Flat)

The first set of 6 panels are planned for the Back (flat) on 30 degree tilts and facing north.
The second set of 5 panels (installed at the same time as the first set) are planned for Front (sloped) to get the rising sun.  Laid flat to the roof

Future plans are for another 5 panels on the Back (sloped) to get the evening sun


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