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#1555679 19-May-2016 16:04

You would just load your pptp settings or .ovpn file in our router then click start. Very simple setup. Some of the VPN providers have a couple others steps . But the one we sell most works in just three steps and you are watching the geo-blocked sites.

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#1555849 19-May-2016 22:54

So which router (or company) is that then?

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#1556437 20-May-2016 17:18

PhantomNVD: So which router (or company) is that then?

I use a Linksys E4200 flashed with DD-WRT and Astrill as the VPN. I had to do some research before I went ahead and flashed it. Also make sure the VPN supports PPTP.

It's very easy to change the country.

MediaLight

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#1563050 31-May-2016 14:58

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

timbosan

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#1563086 31-May-2016 15:41

MediaLight:

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

You have to wonder if Netflix and the content owners really give thought to all this, and why they push to the point where it becomes easier to pirate content than to legally access it.

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#1563089 31-May-2016 15:57

MediaLight:

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

You understand when you post stuff like this, it is public and allows companies like netflix to see what companies like Unotelly are doing to work around it?

Peamsable

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#1563169 31-May-2016 16:18

networkn:
MediaLight:

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

You understand when you post stuff like this, it is public and allows companies like netflix to see what companies like Unotelly are doing to work around it?

My guess is that Netflix has accounts on all these services and are already fully aware of which ones work or not. Personally I think the jig is up and I have moved on from Netflix. I have the free Lightbox with my Spark account and another option for movies should I feel the need. I am actually reading more books now (paper ones from the library) and I think that can only be a good thing.

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timbosan

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#1563176 31-May-2016 16:22

spencer:
networkn:

MediaLight:

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

You understand when you post stuff like this, it is public and allows companies like netflix to see what companies like Unotelly are doing to work around it?

My guess is that Netflix has accounts on all these services and are already fully aware of which ones work or not. Personally I think the jig is up and I have moved on from Netflix. I have the free Lightbox with my Spark account and another option for movies should I feel the need. I am actually reading more books now (paper ones from the library) and I think that can only be a good thing.

+1 on this - I have said it before, if a company like Netflix can create a video streaming service that works world wide and over multiple devices, and supplies ISP's with cache boxes, handles 4K video streams, handles differing catalogs by region, etc. they are more than smart enough to know the limitations of their own systems, and thinking they need the services of forums like geekzone is assuming far too much. I can bet their network engineers are some of the best in the world and know more about IP and routing than any of us ever will.

ockel

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#1563190 31-May-2016 16:54

timbosan:

MediaLight:

It's all a bit sad really.

Here is the latest from Unotelly

Our Engineers are aware of the issue with the US Region and verified that this is due to another update implemented by Netflix. We are working in resolving this in the soonest possible time. We will update you of any progress.

While waiting for the resolution, we are glad to inform you that you can access the following regions as of this time:

Canada
United Kingdom
Mexico
Sweden
and Norway

We ask for your patience and understanding on this matter and rest assured this is given utmost urgency and importance.

You have to wonder if Netflix and the content owners really give thought to all this, and why they push to the point where it becomes easier to pirate content than to legally access it.

Whether people choose piracy or not is not Netflix's problem. If the content owners force Netflix to enforce its terms and conditions and it results in greater piracy then thats the content owners problem.

Whether people choose Netflix (via services that circumvent the geoblocking) or piracy the content owners will not receive one red cent more. And the content owners may prefer that Netflix doesnt derive supernormal profits from leveraging its US content in other markets - that way Netflix cant take the excess cash it earns and reinvest in Netflix originals thus making it a stronger competitor.

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timbosan

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#1563222 31-May-2016 18:44

ockel:

Whether people choose piracy or not is not Netflix's problem. If the content owners force Netflix to enforce its terms and conditions and it results in greater piracy then thats the content owners problem.

Whether people choose Netflix (via services that circumvent the geoblocking) or piracy the content owners will not receive one red cent more. And the content owners may prefer that Netflix doesnt derive supernormal profits from leveraging its US content in other markets - that way Netflix cant take the excess cash it earns and reinvest in Netflix originals thus making it a stronger competitor.

Hmm, that's a very interesting argument and one I hadn't considered (Netflix becoming a competitor off of the profits from the studios).

ockel

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#1563249 31-May-2016 18:58

timbosan:

ockel:

Whether people choose piracy or not is not Netflix's problem. If the content owners force Netflix to enforce its terms and conditions and it results in greater piracy then thats the content owners problem.

Whether people choose Netflix (via services that circumvent the geoblocking) or piracy the content owners will not receive one red cent more. And the content owners may prefer that Netflix doesnt derive supernormal profits from leveraging its US content in other markets - that way Netflix cant take the excess cash it earns and reinvest in Netflix originals thus making it a stronger competitor.

Hmm, that's a very interesting argument and one I hadn't considered (Netflix becoming a competitor off of the profits from the studios).

Netflix is already a competitor. It will create 600 hours of original content this year - and devote either 5 or 10% of its $6bn programming budget to movies. It buys a library of content and aggregates it to subscribers. So its using others libraries to grow its base and reinvest in its own content - that will also compete for eyeballs against the very people that it buys from.

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#1563257 31-May-2016 19:06

ockel:

timbosan:

ockel:

Whether people choose piracy or not is not Netflix's problem. If the content owners force Netflix to enforce its terms and conditions and it results in greater piracy then thats the content owners problem.

Whether people choose Netflix (via services that circumvent the geoblocking) or piracy the content owners will not receive one red cent more. And the content owners may prefer that Netflix doesnt derive supernormal profits from leveraging its US content in other markets - that way Netflix cant take the excess cash it earns and reinvest in Netflix originals thus making it a stronger competitor.

Hmm, that's a very interesting argument and one I hadn't considered (Netflix becoming a competitor off of the profits from the studios).

Netflix is already a competitor. It will create 600 hours of original content this year - and devote either 5 or 10% of its $6bn programming budget to movies. It buys a library of content and aggregates it to subscribers. So its using others libraries to grow its base and reinvest in its own content - that will also compete for eyeballs against the very people that it buys from.

Thats being the case, could the rights holders artificially "manage" SVOD providers if it was worth their financial while? Favouring others that don't compete? Restrict key content for the friendlier SVOD providers? Thereby making Netflix fairly average for content plus their own exclusives? Diluting I guess I'd say. Or would it be better for the rights holders to act like Apple and Samsung, compete but use each other?

ockel

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#1563270 31-May-2016 19:41

tdgeek:

ockel:

timbosan:

ockel:

Whether people choose piracy or not is not Netflix's problem. If the content owners force Netflix to enforce its terms and conditions and it results in greater piracy then thats the content owners problem.

Whether people choose Netflix (via services that circumvent the geoblocking) or piracy the content owners will not receive one red cent more. And the content owners may prefer that Netflix doesnt derive supernormal profits from leveraging its US content in other markets - that way Netflix cant take the excess cash it earns and reinvest in Netflix originals thus making it a stronger competitor.

Hmm, that's a very interesting argument and one I hadn't considered (Netflix becoming a competitor off of the profits from the studios).

Netflix is already a competitor. It will create 600 hours of original content this year - and devote either 5 or 10% of its $6bn programming budget to movies. It buys a library of content and aggregates it to subscribers. So its using others libraries to grow its base and reinvest in its own content - that will also compete for eyeballs against the very people that it buys from.

Thats being the case, could the rights holders artificially "manage" SVOD providers if it was worth their financial while? Favouring others that don't compete? Restrict key content for the friendlier SVOD providers? Thereby making Netflix fairly average for content plus their own exclusives? Diluting I guess I'd say. Or would it be better for the rights holders to act like Apple and Samsung, compete but use each other?

Well.... some rights holders already have ownership of SVOD providers (hulu, cbsaccess, HBO are examples). Some have already implied that they may cut back on the titles offered to some SVOD operators (TimeWarner have suggested that they may be less inclined for example). Some may be ruing deals signed years ago that are only just commencing in 2016. And, as indicated in Netflix's 10Q's and 10K's, some rights holders can withdraw their content with no notice or very little notice. Consider that Netflix's titles are down 24% from early 2014 to early 2016, that Netflix is no longer attracted to non-exclusive deals (like EPIX) and that Netflixs global licensing ambitions have proven harder to crack than expected and that suggests that rights ownership are being "managed".

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watsonash

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#1563756 1-Jun-2016 16:30

well, just in-case anyone finds this interesting....

I was basing my blocking list based on the information here;

http://bgp.he.net/AS2906#_prefixes

I've subsequently found that this list was incomplete.

The URL below is more complete and allows calling form a script and even shows the blocks which the individual ranges are grouped into;

http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS2906&view=2.0

so as I was in the mood for a bit of linux scripting I came up with (after having to brush up on gawk!). It essentially parses the web page and extracts out the IP blocks. What is interesting is that none of the geo unblockers seem to be documenting this exact range of 10 IP blocks. (I can only find reference to 7) - so it's probably just a little Netflix reorg to throw the casual user off target.

take it or leave it -and info like this isn't rocket science so its pointless keeping it underground IMHO.

<code>

curl -s -A "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.01; Windows NT 5.0)" -o test.output 'http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS2906&view=2.0'
gawk '/RIR allocation/ {flag=1;next} /<\/pre>/{flag=0} { if (flag==1) { if (match($0, /<a href.*green\">(.*)</ , arr)) { print arr[1] } };}' test.output|sort -uV

23.246.0.0/18
37.77.184.0/21
45.57.0.0/17
108.175.32.0/20
185.2.220.0/22
185.9.188.0/22
192.173.64.0/18
198.38.96.0/19
198.45.48.0/20
208.75.76.0/22

</code>

now that translates to a nice network block that I wack into my blocking list;

<code>

address-group NetflixAS2906 {
address 23.246.0.0/18
address 37.77.184.0/21
address 45.57.0.0/17
address 108.175.32.0/20
address 185.2.220.0/22
address 185.9.188.0/22
address 192.173.64.0/18
address 198.38.96.0/19
address 198.45.48.0/20
address 208.75.76.0/22
}

</code>

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#1567849 8-Jun-2016 11:43

watsonash:
well, just in-case anyone finds this interesting....

I was basing my blocking list based on the information here;

http://bgp.he.net/AS2906#_prefixes

I've subsequently found that this list was incomplete.

The URL below is more complete and allows calling form a script and even shows the blocks which the individual ranges are grouped into;

http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS2906&view=2.0

so as I was in the mood for a bit of linux scripting I came up with (after having to brush up on gawk!). It essentially parses the web page and extracts out the IP blocks. What is interesting is that none of the geo unblockers seem to be documenting this exact range of 10 IP blocks. (I can only find reference to 7) - so it's probably just a little Netflix reorg to throw the casual user off target.

take it or leave it -and info like this isn't rocket science so its pointless keeping it underground IMHO.

<code>

curl -s -A "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.01; Windows NT 5.0)" -o test.output 'http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS2906&view=2.0'
gawk '/RIR allocation/ {flag=1;next} /<\/pre>/{flag=0} { if (flag==1) { if (match($0, /<a href.*green\">(.*)</ , arr)) { print arr[1] } };}' test.output|sort -uV

23.246.0.0/18
37.77.184.0/21
45.57.0.0/17
108.175.32.0/20
185.2.220.0/22
185.9.188.0/22
192.173.64.0/18
198.38.96.0/19
198.45.48.0/20
208.75.76.0/22

</code>

now that translates to a nice network block that I wack into my blocking list;

<code>

address-group NetflixAS2906 {
address 23.246.0.0/18
address 37.77.184.0/21
address 45.57.0.0/17
address 108.175.32.0/20
address 185.2.220.0/22
address 185.9.188.0/22
address 192.173.64.0/18
address 198.38.96.0/19
address 198.45.48.0/20
address 208.75.76.0/22
}

</code>

I notice that these subnets are slightly different to those provided by dns4me.
So I intend to use a union of them all. However, I don't understand why there is a discrepancy between what your link provides and dns4me.

Just to illuminate my ignorance, would you be able to explain why there is this discrepancy?
Cheers

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