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  #2641845 25-Jan-2021 19:01
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In all fairness the use of the description dangerous, may depending on how you look at it apply.
Ability to spread faster is a kind of danger. 
More severe disease is a different danger.

 

The spike change N501Y is common to UK and South African, though mutations elsewhere differ.

 

So concern is that what we 'may' be finding out about UK variant disease severity as well as spread may apply to this one, but too early to say.
Of course winter, and the UK Christmas relaxation, New Year, and apparently secret raves, travel, weddings and such could drive spread too.
Decline in UK seems to show UK one is not immune to masking, distancing and restrictions.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-31/what-are-the-south-african-and-uk-variants-of-covid-19/13022430

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South Africa and the other from the United Kingdom, have both shown an identical mutation in that same spike.

 

Professor Gilda Tachedjian, president of the Australasian Virology Society, said it was referred to as the N501Y mutation.
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From public health view its probably good to be cautious, by the time we know absolutely its a bit too late.

 

Hopefully the tracing and knowledge of likely origin allows us to squash this.

 

Aussie will be watch re our bubble, and hopefully we can boost their confidence with our response.




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  #2641847 25-Jan-2021 19:04
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sbiddle:

 

Testing at LAX is USD$125 for a same day PCR test (results within 3-5 hours) or $85 for a 1hr antigen test.

 



Thanks for the info. That's a lot better value that the pre travel PCR tests that my quick search turned up.

 

[edit] - wonder if LAX refuses entry / travel to those with a positive test, of if they just issue the test result for the bearer to do as they choose?


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  #2641848 25-Jan-2021 19:04
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cshwone:

 

Just submitted a formal complaint about TV1 News tonight when Simon Dallow led of with the SA strain being "More Dangerous" even though later in the broadcast we had footage from the press conference today where the it was stated that this strain is more transmissible but no evidence that it is more dangerous.

 

Given the testing problems in Northland , to me this was irresponsible, inaccurate and sensationalist reporting which will only add to the problems of the right people being tested.

 

 

Yep, the media being the media, feeding a frenzy that we dont need right now. 




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  #2641850 25-Jan-2021 19:07
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Technofreak:

 

tdgeek:

 

Do you honesty believe that the media knows more about the many experts involved in this response?  Whatever is spouted by know all journo's isn't relevant. if they repeat facts for a change, such as what any real experts think, these real experts have already voiced their input to the response team. Surely this is obvious? 

 

 

Very often as a result of the contacts they have, the media will be fed the correct line of questioning to ensure a particular issue is publicly brought to light. They don't need to know more than the experts, they will have experts educating them.

 

 

Perhaps, but what is the media all about? Ratings. Sensationalism as we see in post tonight. If a real expert talks to the media thats a better option than clickbait questions and opinion pieces.


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  #2641852 25-Jan-2021 19:11
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Technofreak:

 

Why is it any different to someone arriving without the correct immigration paper work. They get put back on the plane and returned to the point of embarkation. So far as I am aware it is the airlines responsibility for ensuring the correct paper work is in place and, if not, they bear the cost of taking that person back to where they came from.

 

 

Citizens (likely the bulk of arrivals at the moment) cannot be refused entry under international travel norms. No sending them back.

If we want to be strict on this, we could make it a requirement to board an aircraft to NZ, and charge the airline's a fee (say $10,000) if people without evidence of a negitive test arrive at the border in NZ.


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  #2641854 25-Jan-2021 19:17
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ezbee:

In all fairness the use of the description dangerous, may depending on how you look at it apply.
Ability to spread faster is a kind of danger. 
More severe disease is a different danger.



TV 1 we're actually quite specific in separating contagouness and effects. Which actually makes their reporting more irresponsible

 
 
 

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  #2641858 25-Jan-2021 19:31
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So ALL flights to Australia cancelled for 72 hours effective immediately. Aussie don't muck around.


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  #2641906 25-Jan-2021 19:52
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Buster:

So ALL flights to Australia cancelled for 72 hours effective immediately. Aussie don't muck around.



That's how you do it.

Sounds like travel bubble.... Is... Fill in in the blank

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  #2641907 25-Jan-2021 19:55
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sbiddle:

 

Scott3:

 

Given a test can cost $350 in the USA (USD250 seems to be the going rate), there is a risk that a $1000 fine may not be sufficient to get everybody tested. For somebody who has been waiting months for viable flights, and MIQ bookings to become available, plus paying big $$ for the flights, it may be tempting to skip the test to eliminate the risk of the result stopping their ability to get home.

At a highly unethical level, there is a risk a person with no symptoms & a positive test may choose to conceal their test result, in order to get into NZ where our treatment is free and hospitals are not overloaded.

 

 

Testing at LAX is USD$125 for a same day PCR test (results within 3-5 hours) or $85 for a 1hr antigen test.

 

 

PCR is $35-$60 here in Dubai. Typically 24 hour turnaround for results.


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  #2641910 25-Jan-2021 19:58
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Scott3:

 

Oblivian:

 

Going by a story the other day. It isn't a case of 'show us or you can't board'

 

But 'welcome to NZ, your certificate please... none? Oh dear. Heres a fine'

 

Vs 'see ya, back you go' or not even getting on

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434664/customs-warns-traveller-over-lack-of-covid-19-test 

 

From 29 January, fines of up to $1000 can be issued for arriving

 

 

Given a test can cost $350 in the USA (USD250 seems to be the going rate), there is a risk that a $1000 fine may not be sufficient to get everybody tested. For somebody who has been waiting months for viable flights, and MIQ bookings to become available, plus paying big $$ for the flights, it may be tempting to skip the test to eliminate the risk of the result stopping their ability to get home.

At a highly unethical level, there is a risk a person with no symptoms & a positive test may choose to conceal their test result, in order to get into NZ where our treatment is free and hospitals are not overloaded.

 

 

It should just get put onto the airline to administer, the same as they do for visas. If the airline is fined $10,000 per passenger then they will make sure they have the correct paperwork.


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  #2641994 25-Jan-2021 22:01
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PolicyGuy:

 

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Sorry, no they couldn't have built a new quarantine centre by now

 

 

meanwhile in China,  a new quarantine center for 4000 is being built in a couple of weeks.

 


 
 
 

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  #2642021 25-Jan-2021 23:44
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debo:

 

PolicyGuy:

 

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Sorry, no they couldn't have built a new quarantine centre by now

 

 

meanwhile in China,  a new quarantine center for 4000 is being built in a couple of weeks.

 

 

 

 

communism ftw eh


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  #2642027 26-Jan-2021 04:00
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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-south-african-covid-19-strain/ar-BB1d3C94

 

Hope this bit isn't right, else the vaccines going out currently are not going to cut it.

 

"There is evidence in the public domain - although we are not sure of this data so I wouldn't say this in public - that the South African variant reduces by about 50 percent the vaccine efficacy," Matt Hancock said.

 

Also says it hits young people harder then other variants. 


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  #2642033 26-Jan-2021 06:41
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Batman:
Buster:

 

So ALL flights to Australia cancelled for 72 hours effective immediately. Aussie don't muck around.

 



That's how you do it.

 

But what about Australians and their rights to return at any given time etc 


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  #2642036 26-Jan-2021 07:14
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Well *all* flights to Australia aren't cancelled, so that's very much a fake news headline. While some have been, plenty are still flying today.

 

People entering Australia on these flights will have to enter quarantine for a minimum of 72 hours (which could extend to 14 days) and have to undergo testing.

 

 


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