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  #2697224 23-Apr-2021 14:57
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The press release:

 

 

The Government is taking significant additional steps to make our borders even safer, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins announced today.

 

“New Zealand is in a strong position and Kiwis enjoy freedoms most other countries do not have, thanks to the efforts of the team of five million. But as the Government has always said, we will continue to look for ways to improve and refine our approach, based on evidence and risk,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

“In the latest stage of evolution at the border, the Government has created a new ‘very high risk country’ category that will significantly reduce the number of infected people flying to New Zealand.

 

“This is in response to rapidly increasing rates of infection in parts of the globe and based on what is happening in the country, the prevalence of COVID-19 variants of concern, the public health measures the country has in place and the risk to our border.  

 

“The new category comes into force from 11.59pm on 28 April. Countries have initially been designated very high risk where there have been more than 50 cases of COVID-19 per 1000 arrivals to New Zealand from those countries in 2021, and where there are more than 15 travellers on average per month.

 

“India, Brazil, Papua New Guinea and Pakistan are the countries that currently meet that threshold, and as a result, travellers from those countries will be temporarily restricted to New Zealand citizens, their partners and children, and parents of children who are New Zealand citizens.

 

“From India alone, this is expected to reduce the number of potential positive cases coming to New Zealand by an estimated 75%.

 

“All travellers from very high risk countries will require evidence of a negative PCR test from an accredited laboratory within 72 hours prior to travel.

 

“I want to stress this was not an easy decision. It was based entirely on current risk assessment and will be reviewed regularly.

 

“There will be an exceptions process on humanitarian grounds.

 

“All other travellers, including residents, will be required to have been outside of the very high risk country for at least 14 days before flying to New Zealand.”

 

Officials will continue to develop the very high risk country framework, and we will provide an update in May on the process for adding new countries to the list, and for removing countries from it.

 

Cohorting

 

“As previously indicated, the introduction of the Trans-Tasman bubble has provided us the opportunity to rethink our approach to how we manage returnees,” COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said.

 

“Even after 500 rooms are held back for contingency, the availability of the remaining 500 to 800 rooms freed up by the bubble has given us options to manage risk in ways that were not previously available.

 

“We said releasing these rooms on a one for one basis for people from higher risk countries was not an option. It would increase risk in the MIQs overall.

 

“Today I can confirm most MIQs are introducing an enhanced cohorting (or group intake) system to further reduce risk of in-facility transmission.

 

“Under the new plan, returnees arriving in New Zealand over a 96-hour window will be delivered to MIQ facilities until they are full or the 96-hour period is over.

 

“The facilities will then ‘lock down’ for a 14-day cycle with no additional returnees allowed until after the last of the cohort have completed their stay and the facilities have been cleaned.

 

“This will ensure returnees will be in the same facility as others who have arrived at about the same time, and importantly, will keep those who have just arrived apart from those who are coming to the end of their stay. The Pullman Hotel will be the first managed isolation facility to receive cohorted arrivals, starting tomorrow. The transition will be complete by Sunday, 16 May.                

 

“Day 0/1 testing, staying in their room until a negative result is returned, Days 3 and 12 testing, limited exposure to others when exercising and smoking, and physical distancing will continue to apply across all facilities.”   

 

Chris Hipkins said the number of available rooms will be temporarily reduced by bringing forward scheduled hotel maintenance to April-May from July-September. However, thousands of rooms will be freed up to the end of May by MIQ cancelling all remaining vouchers held by travellers from Australia.

 

Note:

 

Special purpose MIQ facilities will not be included in cohorting. This includes the JetPark quarantine facility and other facilities used for special groups such as refugees, unaccompanied minors, air and maritime crew and people with complex medical needs.

 

The emptying process to transition to enhanced cohorting has already started, with five facilities no longer receiving new returnees to prepare them to receive a cohort of arrivals.

 





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  #2697235 23-Apr-2021 15:21
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There was discussion sometime earlier on, about how compulsory Covid-19 vaccination would be illegal, even of Defence Force personnel.
It seems that the Chief of defence (and Defence Legal Services) disagree:

 

 

"The New Zealand Defence Force is threatening to sack service members who do not get a Covid-19 vaccination. ... Chief of Defence Force Air Marshal Kevin Short issued a stern warning to personnel on the NZDF's internal network Friday last week - get the inoculation or face consequences. ... 'Electing to not meet the baseline immunisation readiness criteria will result in a review of an individual's future service. I acknowledge that there will be a very small number of people who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.' "

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441066/defence-force-service-members-told-to-get-vaccinated-or-face-being-fired


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  #2697237 23-Apr-2021 15:23
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Anyone else pickup the omission.

 

At first glance, it seemed like it isn't really blocking anyone coming back that was previously allowed to as long as they meet the criteria. But I note the word 'Resident' is now missing?.

 

Later mentioned under those who are classified as residents, now only can if they are transiting that country and time spent outside it 14 days prior.




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  #2697238 23-Apr-2021 15:27
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Yep, IMO thats fair, MOH/DHB has also been told a similar thing, they will just be moved from working in the facilities if they dont get vaccinated.


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  #2697250 23-Apr-2021 16:17
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freitasm:

 

More countries (for those complaining there was a bias against India)..

 

 

India, Brazil, Pakistan and Papua New Guinea.

 

 

 

Um, seems to be bias against dark-skinned countries. 🥳😅

 

 


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  #2697253 23-Apr-2021 16:32
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Regarding travel restrictions from the very high risk countries.

 

I think it is good that a criteria / threshold has been set for this classification. Much better than just naming a country (or countries). I wonder if the criteria however might miss some countries that pose similar risk, but just have a lower volume of arrivals (below the 15 per month threshold).

 

 

 

The decision to treat "all other travelers (incl Residents)" differently from Citizens and their immediate family is a big one. First time NZ has done this in the pandemic. This will be a big shock to many.

 

Obviously the government is very keen to drop the number of arrivals direct from India, which not breaching international immigration norms and leaving people stateless.

 

I imagine it is going to be difficult for "all other travelers" from very high risk countries (assuming they are not a citizen of a country other than where they are coming from) to find a country that is willing to allow the to take a two week holiday / transit stop given where they are coming from. This may effectively be a defacto total ban.

 

 

 

I was expecting a extension to the current restriction, untill something like pre-departure isolation and/or pre departure vaccination can be arranged. While reducing the number of arrivals is good, it dosn't address the high covid-19 positive rates (potentially triple what they were two weeks ago).

 

Putting a higher level of MIQ management for arrivals from "very high risk" countries" seems prudent, but does raise the question. Why are we not doing this for all arrivals, or at least "High risk" countries too... Our boarder has been quite leaky so any upgrades would be gladly accepted across the board...

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #2697254 23-Apr-2021 16:37
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PolicyGuy:

There was discussion sometime earlier on, about how compulsory Covid-19 vaccination would be illegal, even of Defence Force personnel.
It seems that the Chief of defence (and Defence Legal Services) disagree:



"The New Zealand Defence Force is threatening to sack service members who do not get a Covid-19 vaccination. ... Chief of Defence Force Air Marshal Kevin Short issued a stern warning to personnel on the NZDF's internal network Friday last week - get the inoculation or face consequences. ... 'Electing to not meet the baseline immunisation readiness criteria will result in a review of an individual's future service. I acknowledge that there will be a very small number of people who are unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.' "


https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441066/defence-force-service-members-told-to-get-vaccinated-or-face-being-fired


Nothing here saying vaccination is compulsory, it’s just being added to the already quite long list of things you need to do/maintain in order to be an NZDF service member

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  #2697262 23-Apr-2021 16:46
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Scott3:

 

Putting a higher level of MIQ management for arrivals from "very high risk" countries" seems prudent, but does raise the question. Why are we not doing this for all arrivals, or at least "High risk" countries too... Our boarder has been quite leaky so any upgrades would be gladly accepted across the board...

 

 

I'm guessing because stopping those with PR/Work visa exceptions  etc from all countries would cause howls of outrage + they are going to expand even more the eligibility for more border exemptions for work purposes next week....

 

 


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  #2697285 23-Apr-2021 17:19
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Airlines will still need to respond too. May decide not worth it and cut us out/extend current status quo and make it hard to meet criteria by means of travel

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  #2697299 23-Apr-2021 18:18
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wellygary:

 

Scott3:

 

Putting a higher level of MIQ management for arrivals from "very high risk" countries" seems prudent, but does raise the question. Why are we not doing this for all arrivals, or at least "High risk" countries too... Our boarder has been quite leaky so any upgrades would be gladly accepted across the board...

 

 

I'm guessing because stopping those with PR/Work visa exceptions  etc from all countries would cause howls of outrage + they are going to expand even more the eligibility for more border exemptions for work purposes next week....

 

 

 

 

The comment of mine you have quoted was refering to a high level of MIQ management, i.e. enhanced cohorting.

 

But I have re-read the press release and it sounds like this enhanced nz will apply to "Most" MIQ facilities, not just those receiving travelers from very high risk countries.

 

Will mean that people could now potentially spend up to 18 days in MIQ, but I am guessing most facilities will fill up in a couple of days at most.

 

 

 

 

 

Regarding the ban on direct arrivals of anybody but citizens and their families from india etc. I expect this will cause of outrage too.

 

 

 

I think it will be a harsh reminder for some that residency is not the same as citizenship, and potentially prompt a decent number of people who have been eligible for citizenship for many years to actually do the paperwork.

 

[edit] - I am interested in what the lock down for the 14 day cycle involves. The name infers no leaving the room at all, which I think is well overdue.


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  #2697306 23-Apr-2021 18:25
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Oblivian: Airlines will still need to respond too. May decide not worth it and cut us out/extend current status quo and make it hard to meet criteria by means of travel

 

Good point.

 

I can't imagine many people are heading to India at the moment, and NZ is not the only country making it harder to get in from India, so outbound demand may be tepid...

 

 

 

Might become like the early days of the pandemic where New Zealanders in south America were attempting to band together in sufficient numbers to be able to afford a charter flight as no viable commercial routes were running.


 
 
 

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  #2697355 23-Apr-2021 18:46
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Scott3:

[edit] - I am interested in what the lock down for the 14 day cycle involves. The name infers no leaving the room at all, which I think is well overdue.



With the MIQs?

Believe it's not a lockdown. But arrivals pause. Or bubble quarantine if you will.

Fill one up over 3 days. They get standard freedoms/practice that's been in place.
Only they add no more people in once the cutoff met.
No staff changes etc. Leftover empty rooms stay empty. And everyone gets out on day 14/15/16 from it's opening. Cleaned. Repeat.

If there's an outbreak. It's a manageable bubble. No chasing. No extended stays for people thay were due to be released. No overlaps

After the TT they have 1500 spare rooms to change asset usage to suit this by looks.

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  #2697366 23-Apr-2021 19:36
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Fill up over up to 96 hours, or less dependent on size of hotel and number of arrivals. once complete the hotel will not take anyone until it has discharged all its returnees after their 14 day stay. clean hotel, repeat.

 

Day zero tests for flights from high risk countries, once complete they have access to exercise and smoking based on their internal cohort, still no mingling between flights for this.

 

Day 3 test

 

day 12 test

 

then discharge from day 14, once the returnee has spent 336 hours from touchdown in nz under MIQ.

 

the good bit is you don't get people who are on day 12 or something potentially catching something from someone on day zero or 1 and having to stay longer.

 

Oblivian:
No staff changes etc.

 

not sure what you mean by this?


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  #2697367 23-Apr-2021 19:41
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Jase2985:

 

not sure what you mean by this?

 

 

One would hope/presume the 14 day of no new onboarding also includes staffing. Ala rotating security guards/contractors from other facilities and so on to make the period a true enclosed and traceable bubble to lower the chance of people picking yet more holes in those boo-boos.


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  #2697368 23-Apr-2021 19:44
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Oblivian:

 

Jase2985:

 

not sure what you mean by this?

 

 

One would hope/presume the 14 day of no new onboarding also includes staffing. Ala rotating security guards/contractors from other facilities and so on to make the period a true enclosed and traceable bubble to lower the chance of people picking yet more holes in those boo-boos.

 

 

i would highly doubt that.

 

most staff go home every night, only a few stay round the clock.

 

Some staff go between hotels for various reasons, normally nursing staff, and baggage handlers.


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