2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2733306 23-Jun-2021 17:43

There’s nothing wrong with a paper-based solution.

I’m sure Rikkitic take diligent notes of his/her/their movements, and carefully watches the media, and then contacts the Min Health contact tracing unit for the purpose of public health management, if the need indicates.

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#2733307 23-Jun-2021 17:50

MikeB4:

@networkn Rikkitic lives in a rural area with a lot of hills in an area that has crap cellular coverage. I can understand why Rikkitic has not purchased a cellphone and pays a monthly costs for a diary. They paper version used and signing into businesses that care enough is sufficient and ok in the MOH guidlines.

As I said, she is doing what is required of her, tracking her locations visited in case it's needed by the authorities if she was unfortunate enough to be exposed. Kudos for that. I was more talking in the general sense that just because it's technology-based doesn't make it a hurdle people can't overcome. I was also addressing her point she wasn't able to work it out for herself (which I'd dispute in general because she has posted about many bits of technology considerably more complex and fiddly than a smartphone and app). *IF* someone wants to learn to use a smartphone, they can.

I'd report any business that didn't have a paper-based tracking facility.

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#2733308 23-Jun-2021 17:54

judge not lest ye be judged

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#2733310 23-Jun-2021 17:55

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There’s nothing wrong with a paper-based solution.

I wasn't claiming otherwise. As I already said, I don't care how people do it, so long as they do it. However, using the excuse they can't work the technology won't wash with me. It's valid to say you don't *want* to, so long as you use the other method.

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#2733313 23-Jun-2021 18:22

MikeB4:

@networkn Rikkitic lives in a rural area with a lot of hills in an area that has crap cellular coverage. I can understand why Rikkitic has not purchased a cellphone and pays a monthly costs for a diary. They paper version used and signing into businesses that care enough is sufficient and ok in the MOH guidlines.

You don’t need cell reception to scan a QR code and if you have wifi at home the phone app can connect for receipt of notification advices.

Each to their own, but I reckon purchasing a $100 phone solely for scanning is cheap insurance. This virus has potential to kill, so personally I’ll do everything I can within reason to maximise my visibility for contact tracing purposes.

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#2733319 23-Jun-2021 18:45

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The thing is not everyone knows, just like not everyone knows who the leader of the opposition is. Many people don't watch the news or knows what is going on with covid, but they will hear the odd headline, such as NZ runs out of Covid vaccines etc. So that is what sticks and gets the headlines in NZ. I recall we ran out of or very low on normal flu vaccinations last year, despite them ordering more than they have previously ordered, and that became a big story, yet in the grand scheme of things it was unimportant. My point was more to stop the 'spin' and just state the facts, maybe using graphs when they do their standups. This graph below shows that there could be a pinch point coming up with stock received, and actual vaccinations. It would be good if the graph showed when the anticipated stocks are coming online over the next 6 months, like has been done with stock received.. Also looks like they are modeling 80% of the population to be vaccinated, unless they expect many will only have had one does at the end of the year?.

Old graphs and models are based off 8m doses which is all that is required for 4m people - remember that up until a few days ago there had been no plan to vaccinate the ~1m people aged under 16 as there was no approved vaccine.

The problem right now appears to be a lot of people who somehow had first doses who can't get bookings for their second because it seems not all DHB's are booking the second dose at the time of the first (which was also discussed in this thread last week). Hopefully the move to Salesforce fixes up so many of the massive issues.

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#2733320 23-Jun-2021 18:51

dafman:

MikeB4:

@networkn Rikkitic lives in a rural area with a lot of hills in an area that has crap cellular coverage. I can understand why Rikkitic has not purchased a cellphone and pays a monthly costs for a diary. They paper version used and signing into businesses that care enough is sufficient and ok in the MOH guidlines.

You don’t need cell reception to scan a QR code and if you have wifi at home the phone app can connect for receipt of notification advices.

Each to their own, but I reckon purchasing a $100 phone solely for scanning is cheap insurance. This virus has potential to kill, so personally I’ll do everything I can within reason to maximise my visibility for contact tracing purposes.

At the end of the day though a phone can't do anything that keeping your own records does. There seem to be a lot of people who think scanning will stop Covid. It won't.

The problem we have here in NZ is so many people who never keep up to date with any news or current affairs. You can guarantee there would have been plenty of people in Wellington this afternoon totally unaware of the positive Covid case or the locations of interest, so sending out push notifications to those people would tell them about it.

For somebody who keeps up to date with the news and knows their history so could match up where they'd been they're going to get exactly the same outcome.

The single big advantage the app offers is that if somebody does test positive that their location history can easily be downloaded so it becomes easier for contact tracers to know where they've been rather than having to manually collate the date.

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#2733321 23-Jun-2021 18:58

Fortunately I never go anywhere so my location history is pretty easy to keep track of.

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#2733339 23-Jun-2021 20:05

The Executive Summary:

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#2733346 23-Jun-2021 20:28

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hmm ... can't fault it.

plus additional gathering number restriction and physical distancing

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#2733352 23-Jun-2021 20:52

dafman:

You don’t need cell reception to scan a QR code and if you have wifi at home the phone app can connect for receipt of notification advices.

I just stumbled across this again and I don't understand the logic of it. Am I missing something? I am home and on-line most of the time and I am on the MOH mailing list. I also have our medical practice's Manage my Health app on my pc. Today I received notifications about the Wellington level change via both services. What would a phone app have added to this?

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#2733360 23-Jun-2021 21:06

Rikkitic:

dafman:

You don’t need cell reception to scan a QR code and if you have wifi at home the phone app can connect for receipt of notification advices.

I just stumbled across this again and I don't understand the logic of it. Am I missing something? I am home and on-line most of the time and I am on the MOH mailing list. I also have our medical practice's Manage my Health app on my pc. Today I received notifications about the Wellington level change via both services. What would a phone app have added to this?

If you don’t leave home, nothing.

If you do leave home, and scan, you will, in theory, be advised in a timely fashion if you have visited a location of concern. Especially if places you visited only have a QR code but no manual sign in. As an aside, I can’t recall the time I last saw someone offering manual sign in, it ain’t happening.

And if you turn on Bluetooth, there is the possibility they may be even more specific if you have been in close proximity of a known case.

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#2733361 23-Jun-2021 21:15

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I'll be the first to critisise people who don't use the tracer app because they can't be bothered, but it's important to remember that not everyone has the skills required to use the technology.

I don't buy this. If someone can operate a car, then they can operate a mobile phone well enough to open an app and scan it.

It isn't compulsory to own one.

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#2733369 23-Jun-2021 21:33

dafman:

If you don’t leave home, nothing.

If you do leave home, and scan, you will, in theory, be advised in a timely fashion if you have visited a location of concern. Especially if places you visited only have a QR code but no manual sign in. As an aside, I can’t recall the time I last saw someone offering manual sign in, it ain’t happening.

And if you turn on Bluetooth, there is the possibility they may be even more specific if you have been in close proximity of a known case.

I leave home so seldom this is unlikely to be an issue. And I am rarely away for more than a few hours. And I am often in the company of a close friend who does have a smart phone and also scans in all the time. I don't see any convincing argument here.

People have phones for all kinds of things. Scanning QR codes is only one. Nobody buys a phone just to scan QR codes and doesn't use it for anything else. Except me, if I bought a phone. Not having one doesn't make me any more susceptible to a passing infection than anyone else, and it won't make me a super-spreader. Apart from that, I have already had the first vaccination and will receive the second in a few days. No, of course that won't make me invincible either, but it further reduces the odds. As does living near a small town on the east coast with very few international travellers passing through on their way to a museum or pharmacy. On the cosmic scale of things, I have more to worry about from an asteroid strike.

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#2733370 23-Jun-2021 21:57

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