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just realised that announcement was made at 1030pm on a Saturday night.
any super rugby teams in AU?
Batman:
heh someone else is surprised too https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-travel-bubble-ban-surprises-michael-baker-outrages-some-travellers/EWKRBK6YAVJPGY3X2TISYZWX2I/
The problem now is the bubble may as well be scrapped totally forever. The govt taking such draconian steps as this which are out of line with the concepts of the bubble and the general guidelines that they had advised mean there will now be no certainty at all at any point going forward.
bubble version 1.0 done for now you reckon
Batman:
bubble version 1.0 done for now you reckon
Until all CT stops? Its spreading state to state, border crossings there are legendary, what other option is there? When we have had MIQ leaks its a big deal. When the alert level here wasn't instant its a big deal. Now the bubble has been fully suspended and its an over reaction, as stated by Michael Baker and travellers over there. The level of accepted risk seems to always be a moving target. One minute its bad news, nek minnit its fine.
sbiddle:
The problem now is the bubble may as well be scrapped totally forever. The govt taking such draconian steps as this which are out of line with the concepts of the bubble and the general guidelines that they had advised mean there will now be no certainty at all at any point going forward.
That's total and utter utter nonsense.
From the outset, there has been very very loud and clear messaging about disruption of travel due to pause/closure of the bubble - which was going to happen if there was CT either side of the Tasman - and that you may need to enter managed isolation when you return.
There was never any "certainty" offered that you'd be able to enjoy quarantine-free travel.
While it might be damned inconvenient to now be stuck across the Tasman, it's tough luck. The official advice was to expect the possibility, have travel insurance, and allow to make arrangements to have accommodation available in case it did happen.
sbiddle:
Batman:
heh someone else is surprised too https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-travel-bubble-ban-surprises-michael-baker-outrages-some-travellers/EWKRBK6YAVJPGY3X2TISYZWX2I/
The problem now is the bubble may as well be scrapped totally forever. The govt taking such draconian steps as this which are out of line with the concepts of the bubble and the general guidelines that they had advised mean there will now be no certainty at all at any point going forward.
The problem is if you do that it leaves thousands of Kiwi's stuck in Australia who need to get home, by law you cant stop them but they all would have to go through quarantine for 14 days and where is the room in the hotels for that to happen. You can say they were warned but that still doesnt change the fact that they have to come home.
Common sense is not as common as you think.
From SMH this morning:
Gladys Berejiklian’s brand throughout the pandemic has been built on keeping NSW open while other states locked down. She has not shied away from criticising states that shut down hastily.
Early last week, before the explosion of cases and exposure sites across the city, Health Minister Brad Hazzard and Treasurer Dominic Perrottet, dismissed suggestions of a lockdown. That’s not what NSW does, they insisted.
And that was always a big risk with the travel bubble, it put NZ at risk from political bunfights and idealistic bickering which led to extremely poor decisions being made in NSW.
vexxxboy:
The problem is if you do that it leaves thousands of Kiwi's stuck in Australia who need to get home, by law you cant stop them but they all would have to go through quarantine for 14 days and where is the room in the hotels for that to happen. You can say they were warned but that still doesnt change the fact that they have to come home.
And they're going to have to wait it out, hoping that Aus manage to contain this outbreak and the bubble reopens.
Meanwhile, those who've already made arrangements to take available MIQ slots to travel home to NZ from elsewhere, hopefully won't be "bumped" by NZers with sob-stories who flew to Aus to have a holiday.
Please use topic Trans-Tasman bubble (Quarantine-Free Travel) to discuss the trans-Tasman bubble travel.
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We sure are doing a great job of spreading that virus around.
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mattwnz: just hope we don't get a whole lot of stories about people being stranded. It was obvious for the last week at least that it wasn't going well, and people took their own risk going to Oz. The PM even warned people about it when the bubble was first announced, to make sure people plan for the bubble closing.
Oblivian: Possible high spreader role...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/five-flights-potentially-exposed-to-covid-19-as-virgin-flight-attendant-tests-positive-20210626-p584k8.html
Also the 900 mine workers who are scattered across the country. All theoretically traceable and should be isolating, but there's potential for the outbreak to explode and impossible to know if bullets have been dodged until the "wait and see" period is over.
Totally support the bubble being closed - this was forewarned when the bubble opened, it’s not an unknown and IMO is not a surprise or an overreaction.
It was clear that the bubble could close with no notice and no support from the government. I feel sympathy for anyone’s plans which have now changed as a result, but this is the nature of life and particularly the nature of life in a pandemic.
It’s abundantly obvious this NSW situation is “very not good”, and closing the bubble while they sort it out is absolutely the right move.
We do not want community transmission imported from AU, especially this late in the piece.
vexxxboy:
The problem is if you do that it leaves thousands of Kiwi's stuck in Australia who need to get home, by law you cant stop them but they all would have to go through quarantine for 14 days and where is the room in the hotels for that to happen. You can say they were warned but that still doesnt change the fact that they have to come home.
This "you can't stop people travelling" argument is meaningless in the context of a global pandemic.
If an airline cancels your flight, they haven't violated your human rights. If there's bad weather and you can't travel, we don't see an avalanche of complaints. We don't force pilots to fly at gunpoint.
Clearly there is some degree of flexibility accepted here as a convention, and the risks of travelling during a global pandemic that has already been going for a year is context enough, don't you think?
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