2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2750284 26-Jul-2021 23:29

Vaxxed recently. I was coincidentally at a pharmacy near closing time. A staff member approached me and said the centre next door had leftover shots. Apparently they start the day with more than they need, to cover any random breakage and things like that. Vaxxed. Sore arm the next day for a few hours. That's all. Next shot in three weeks.

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#2750285 26-Jul-2021 23:46

gzt: Vaxxed recently. I was coincidentally at a pharmacy near closing time. A staff member approached me and said the centre next door had leftover shots. Apparently they start the day with more than they need, to cover any random breakage and things like that. Vaxxed. Sore arm the next day for a few hours. That's all. Next shot in three weeks.

Yup. I can register in a couple of days, and if I can't book an appointment soon I know where to go and at what time to turn up to have a good chance to get a "left over" shot. People are confirming appointments but not turning up. The Pfizer vaccine has to be diluted. Any unused diluted vaccine must be discarded after 6 hours.

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#2750304 27-Jul-2021 07:15

RNZ are really on the attack this morning trying to destroy the credibility of the Manukau mass vaccination event

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447761/auckland-covid-19-mass-vaccination-health-officials-scramble-to-fill-places

Their news and commentary on the radio isn't much better and I'm puzzled as to what they're trying to achieve in creating the news rather than simply reporting the news. Their reporting of this reminds me so much of the Australian media who did such a successful job destroying the credibility of the AZ vaccine.

As a proof of concept for a mass vaccination event maybe the location and target audience for this was not perfect but this type of reporting by the media is exactly what we don't want in this country.

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#2750313 27-Jul-2021 07:30

some random news from guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/26/covid-more-eu-states-restrict-venue-access-unvaccinated-people

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/26/covid-quarantine-for-britons-vaccinated-abroad-to-be-dropped

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/26/heathrow-wants-travel-opened-up-for-vaccinated-as-covid-losses-near-3bn

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/27/covid-tests-being-flown-interstate-for-diagnosis-as-sydney-is-swamped-by-surge-in-numbers

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/26/us-covid-cases-undercounted-study

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#2750314 27-Jul-2021 07:34

Fred99:

gzt: Vaxxed recently. I was coincidentally at a pharmacy near closing time. A staff member approached me and said the centre next door had leftover shots. Apparently they start the day with more than they need, to cover any random breakage and things like that. Vaxxed. Sore arm the next day for a few hours. That's all. Next shot in three weeks.

Yup. I can register in a couple of days, and if I can't book an appointment soon I know where to go and at what time to turn up to have a good chance to get a "left over" shot. People are confirming appointments but not turning up. The Pfizer vaccine has to be diluted. Any unused diluted vaccine must be discarded after 6 hours.

you mean this? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-scramble-to-fill-places-for-mass-vaccination/XZSRYUZUIYJTB3NGXZ54IUKBQ4/

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#2750315 27-Jul-2021 07:41

sbiddle:

RNZ are really on the attack this morning trying to destroy the credibility of the Manukau mass vaccination event

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/447761/auckland-covid-19-mass-vaccination-health-officials-scramble-to-fill-places

Their news and commentary on the radio isn't much better and I'm puzzled as to what they're trying to achieve in creating the news rather than simply reporting the news. Their reporting of this reminds me so much of the Australian media who did such a successful job destroying the credibility of the AZ vaccine.

As a proof of concept for a mass vaccination event maybe the location and target audience for this was not perfect but this type of reporting by the media is exactly what we don't want in this country.

I agree, but it is curious why take up was so low. Apart from the obvious weekend activity interruption, maybe people assumed it will be a turn up and wait for ages deal?

10 of these each weekend in main centres would be a nice boost

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#2750317 27-Jul-2021 07:49

tdgeek: I agree, but it is curious why take up was so low. Apart from the obvious weekend activity interruption, maybe people assumed it will be a turn up and wait for ages deal?

10 of these each weekend in main centres would be a nice boost

If it is anything like my local community, people don’t want to get the vaccine “because the borders are closed and we don’t have any COVID in NZ”. As I have been told by more than one person, “I would get the vaccine if we had it here, since we don’t have it I don’t see any point.”

Basically the same reason I’m given why people don’t scan when going to other locations.

A down side of our own success, perhaps?

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#2750318 27-Jul-2021 07:51

Oblivian:

sbiddle: They may minimise super long long range droplet or aerosol spread if you sneeze or exhale, but they actually do very little in the way of offering protection for somebody wearing one since the fabrics most people use are simply not capable of filtering those virus particles.

If somebody next to you has Covid and exhales droplets, a basic homemade face covering will offer very minimal protection.

Surely you can't taint them all with the same brush?. I mean, droplets would indicate they had weight or a mass and therefore not just be 'air' that can pass through?

For instance, most mine are from a tripple layer pattern, different material. Oppositely folded seams, over most my cheeks and move in and out with a breath they're that sealed.

Meanwhile the official original cdc issued ones i received from a US customer, hardly cover, dual layer thick cotton (underwear material) with some apparently magical silver nitrate coating, good for about 6 washes each. Labelled as 'breathable'

https://www.hanes.com/maskn2.html

Sure, an N95 is more likely to stop you breathing something in. But your mucus loving eyeballs are nicely exposed even if you had one. I would like to think enough people making the effort to stop em going out, would reduce the need for all of us to need a N95 for the 'in'. That's how they sell it in a lot of places. 'wearing mine protects you, you wearing protects me'

Minus the wallies wearing a thin bike mesh buff just to meet requirements..

Spread through eyes is still a pretty topical debate. There are plenty of papers online I've read about this, and views do seem to still be quite differing. It is safe to say however that there are plenty of people who believe masks my themselves don't add a lot of value and that eye protection is key to stopping the spread. It's certainly why in hospitals that faceshields are pretty much standard uniform now.

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#2750325 27-Jul-2021 08:00

sbiddle:

As a proof of concept for a mass vaccination event maybe the location and target audience for this was not perfect but this type of reporting by the media is exactly what we don't want in this country.

It was supposed to be limited to Manukau Institute of Technology students and their families to stop it being overrun with vaccine hopefuls - but that did not turn out to be a problem.

About 12,500 students and teachers were sent invitations and told their families could book too.

Only about 3000 booked a place.

I generally agree about responsibility with reporting, but find RNZ generally "okay".

That response rate is absolutely appalling.

The cost of this national vaccine rollout must be in the billions, the cost of stuffing it up will be much higher. Reading that the person in charge said he would work with the community to understand why the take-up was so slow - I hope he's been on his bike since the weekend. A disaster like that needs urgent attention to find out what went wrong and fix it, not a list of vague reasons/excuses as to why the response was so dismal. Sincere but non-committal hopes that it "won't be a concern for the country's wider roll-out" leaves me cold.

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#2750326 27-Jul-2021 08:01

empacher48:
tdgeek: I agree, but it is curious why take up was so low. Apart from the obvious weekend activity interruption, maybe people assumed it will be a turn up and wait for ages deal?

10 of these each weekend in main centres would be a nice boost

If it is anything like my local community, people don’t want to get the vaccine “because the borders are closed and we don’t have any COVID in NZ”. As I have been told by more than one person, “I would get the vaccine if we had it here, since we don’t have it I don’t see any point.”

Basically the same reason I’m given why people don’t scan when going to other locations.

A down side of our own success, perhaps?

You're probably right. Human nature is a real barrier. Then we get CT here and they whine about the lines and 3 hour wait.

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#2750332 27-Jul-2021 08:13

empacher48:

A down side of our own success, perhaps?

Poor messaging IMO. While there's clearly a benefit in keeping people happy and confident, some shock and awe tactics probably have a place in the messaging. We are sitting ducks to stuff things up, and if that does happen, hindsight will show how it could have been avoided.

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#2750335 27-Jul-2021 08:14

In Australia they are making a big scene with the 30yo woman who died who had no existing conditions. Some who were anti are being convinced by it where as the others aren't

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#2750359 27-Jul-2021 08:42

Fred99:

empacher48:

A down side of our own success, perhaps?

Poor messaging IMO. While there's clearly a benefit in keeping people happy and confident, some shock and awe tactics probably have a place in the messaging. We are sitting ducks to stuff things up, and if that does happen, hindsight will show how it could have been avoided.

More like dumb people being dumb.

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#2750365 27-Jul-2021 08:52

Fred99:

I generally agree about responsibility with reporting, but find RNZ generally "okay".

That response rate is absolutely appalling.

The cost of this national vaccine rollout must be in the billions, the cost of stuffing it up will be much higher. Reading that the person in charge said he would work with the community to understand why the take-up was so slow - I hope he's been on his bike since the weekend. A disaster like that needs urgent attention to find out what went wrong and fix it, not a list of vague reasons/excuses as to why the response was so dismal. Sincere but non-committal hopes that it "won't be a concern for the country's wider roll-out" leaves me cold.

Don't get me wrong - the fact this first vaccination event has failed so miserably should be a massive concern for everybody concerned. I just see the reporting and the discussion about it on the radio this morning was taking the wrong approach. We need to be doing all we can to encourage people to be vaccinated, and not pushing a negative agenda that might discourage people.

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#2750372 27-Jul-2021 09:15

Perhaps another advantage that could be used to encourage vaccination in some quarters! Or perhaps in hindsight, not ...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781360

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