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vexxxboy
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  #2829842 10-Dec-2021 11:10
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The biggest irony in all the protests is that they would have more freedom if they were vaccinated. 





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  #2829846 10-Dec-2021 11:23
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John Campbell Phd's latest video 'Oslow party' is interesting from a New Zealand pov. Norway mirrors us in a lot of ways.

 

Population 5.3 million

 

 

 

mRNA vaccines are the primary platform.

 

Fully vaccinated 88%

 

Single dose 92%

 

Booster program in early stages.

 

Someone who came back from South Africa attended a Christmas party....the rest you can watch on Youtube, spoiler alert...over half of the people of a fully jabbed party......got Omicron. Two weeks later.....no one is seriously ill yet.





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  #2829857 10-Dec-2021 11:31
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-holidaymakers-warned-to-stay-away-from-regions/UEQS6NLYPF3LYF6OBQHLSGQ2EE/

 

Well this is easy, simply reduce any government funding going into the ODC territory for any services by 30% from this point on, representing the contribution of Aucklanders who are apparently not welcome.




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  #2829861 10-Dec-2021 11:38
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Sup:

John Campbell Phd's latest video 'Oslow party' is interesting from a New Zealand pov. Norway mirrors us in a lot of ways.


Population 5.3 million


 


mRNA vaccines are the primary platform.


Fully vaccinated 88%


Single dose 92%


Booster program in early stages.


Someone who came back from South Africa attended a Christmas party....the rest you can watch on Youtube, spoiler alert...over half of the people of a fully jabbed party......got Omicron. Two weeks later.....no one is seriously ill yet.



UK booster program is now 3 months after 2nd dose. Has been since Omicron was coined.

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  #2829872 10-Dec-2021 12:04
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I thought it was the John Campbell for a second, but then realised it's that British doctor.


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  #2829880 10-Dec-2021 12:19
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GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-holidaymakers-warned-to-stay-away-from-regions/UEQS6NLYPF3LYF6OBQHLSGQ2EE/

 

Well this is easy, simply reduce any government funding going into the ODC territory for any services by 30% from this point on, representing the contribution of Aucklanders who are apparently not welcome.

 

 

Did you read into it more than the headline at all. Because it's another one of their misleading ones.

 

It's Iwis doing their roaodblock tricks again

 

The Ōpōtiki District Council (ŌDC) is backing calls from iwi leaders to try to block Aucklanders from travelling to the district.

 

Then again, backing, mooting is one thing. Implementing is another. As we found with police intervention previously.


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  #2829885 10-Dec-2021 12:30
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If there is a Christmas wish list for Santa regarding Omicron, virulence would be at the top. We have all these anecdotes coming through day on day about milder disease.

 

However, we also hear from Doctors in South Africa that there is an escalation in admissions with Omicron, with an apparent much shorter stay in hospital, around the three day mark.

 

This of course is not useful in terms of understanding Omicron, it is merely interesting to see possible early patterns emerging.

 

A recent genome sequencing study, claims to have evidence of gene switching between Covid 19 and one of the other Corona viruses (Hcov 229E corona virus).

 

So, the study claims (needs peer review) that a common cold and Covid 19, exchanged genetic material inside a cell of a person who was doubly infected, and gave birth to omicron.

 

Lets assume this is true and correct.

 

Experts are focused on this hope that a mechanism like this, will lead to a milder pandemic, one which essentially ends in terms of being a virus of concern in pandemic terms.

 

What I have been interested in, since this thing first came along, is the stealth technology that Covid uses to spread itself, the Asymptomatic cases.

 

This feature, for mine, is what really sets it apart from other diseases that we are more familiar with, and it is the key to the proliferation and poor containment of the virus.

 

SARS Cov 1 was eminently traceable and containable, because of the symptom profile.

 

So I am going to watch with interest, to see whether this anecdotal change in symptom profile with Omicron (Headache, sore throat, fever, nausea, muscle aches) also translates to an end to Asymptomatc presentations of the virus.

 

The Zoe Symptom tracker app in the UK (brain child of Tim Spectres team and an app which is revolutionizing disease tracking in real time on a population scale) has now been updated to include an entry for Omicron specific self reported illness's.

 

The other thing I have been thinking about, is symptom onset.

 

Specifically what this means for the new antivirals. For example, since therapy works best in the first five days post symptom onset with previous variants....what would this mean for a new variant that rappidly causes symptoms and has a short intense symptom phase, which then rappidly resolves?

 

Does the speed of onset, and the reported rapid escalation, the extremely high transmissibility, shorten the window for therapeutic interventions like these new therapies? 

 

Anyway, there are lots of other things that interest me, but I won't bore anyone further with them, because nobody knows.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2829887 10-Dec-2021 12:32
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Batman:

 

UK booster program is now 3 months after 2nd dose. Has been since Omicron was coined.

 

 

Hi, yeah those figures are for Norway. It will be interesting to keep tracking what is happening in the UK though.





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  #2829894 10-Dec-2021 12:39
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quickymart:

 

I thought it was the John Campbell for a second, but then realised it's that British doctor.

 

 

Ah my fault. I thought he would be well known here generally. Yes he has a Doctorate in Nursing and has been making videos of the pandemic off his own steam, no financial incentives, no agenda, just the goodness of his heart.

 

He appears as a health consultant on things Covid on the major networks in Europe, especially Germany's DW TV.

 

The channel has a strong ethos around reporting and discussing all topics including ones people do not like to hear about (Ivermectin, vaccine side effects etc).

 

He does this from home, with no slick production, he makes the odd mistake and welcomes his viewers fact checking everything he says.

 

As an educator with a research back ground his real strength is breaking down complex studies for an at home audience as soon as those studies are released.

 

John Campbell Phd would be in my top three people to follow consistently.





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  #2829904 10-Dec-2021 12:58
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Oblivian:

 

Then again, backing, mooting is one thing. Implementing is another. As we found with police intervention previously.

 

 

It's a hugely crappy look for a territorial authority to be backing calls to deny people compliant with health orders the ability to move about their region freely. A District Council isn't some private group of concerned citizens - it's a government organisation.


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  #2829906 10-Dec-2021 13:06
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They do stupid ideas all the time. Some bright spark down here is backing the idea of a toll collection system for residents that live north of the waimakariri bridge on SH1... Fruition of that backing is something else.


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  #2829909 10-Dec-2021 13:17
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GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-auckland-holidaymakers-warned-to-stay-away-from-regions/UEQS6NLYPF3LYF6OBQHLSGQ2EE/

 

Well this is easy, simply reduce any government funding going into the ODC territory for any services by 30% from this point on, representing the contribution of Aucklanders who are apparently not welcome.

 

 

These road blocks are widely supported across all layers of these regions, the Council is merely advocating for almost all locals here, and IWI have provided the impetus.

 

I get it.

 

If you live there, and you are probably not going to get evaced in a hurry when you need it, because a bunch of Aucklanders want to take a holiday, then you might feel upset...more importantly a bit terrified.

 

I have no personal agenda in this, being in the Waikato, Covid is ours to spread too. I say roll the JAFA's down the aisle, let the pockets of regional devastation begin already (tongue in cheek).

 

On a personal note, we are not going on holiday to the Coromandel this Christmas, first time in a long time, even though the lawns will need a good mow.

 

Same reasons, one I do not want the drive with a car full of Covid to get back home, staying in situ is not an option up there for us, not unless we are forced to.

 

We would make a run for it, to be isolating back down here within ambulance range of Waikato hospital.

 

Two, the idea of one person needing a long ambulance trip, while the rest of us are stuck a long way away from our normal surroundings sounds miserable too.

 

And lastly....the idea of spreading Covid to those regions will take the gloss off the post Christmas hangover.

 

But I understand why Aucklanders see this as a right. And in principle I am not forced here to think about blocking anyone.

 

 





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  #2829987 10-Dec-2021 14:44
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Sup:

 

But I understand why Aucklanders see this as a right. And in principle I am not forced here to think about blocking anyone.

 

 

We've not had internal borders like this before and perhaps got a bit lucky over last summer so it wasn't a problem. But there are difficult discussions to have here because it's not a case of seeing things as rights - they are rights. I understand private groups like Iwi calling for things like roadblocks, as is their right, but by and large, it's not the job of territorial authorities to advocate for walling off their regions from people from certain parts of the country. 


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  #2830001 10-Dec-2021 15:14
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GV27:

 

Sup:

 

But I understand why Aucklanders see this as a right. And in principle I am not forced here to think about blocking anyone.

 

 

We've not had internal borders like this before and perhaps got a bit lucky over last summer so it wasn't a problem. But there are difficult discussions to have here because it's not a case of seeing things as rights - they are rights. I understand private groups like Iwi calling for things like roadblocks, as is their right, but by and large, it's not the job of territorial authorities to advocate for walling off their regions from people from certain parts of the country. 

 

 

A bit academic but, council making local determinations to avoid a local disaster under the civil defence act is relevant here and this includes pandemics.

 

A mayor can also declare a local state of emergency, however, in real time, that is likely to happen, after the damage is done, and the Aucklanders are safely back North of the Bombays using Aucklands extensive health infrastructure to support them through their illness.

 

One to be argued in court, to get clarification of the overlap between the pov you put forward, the potential overreach, versus, the intent of the councils powers under the civil defence act to protect the safety of local citizens and to frame an emergency in a local context *which is entirely relevant in a poorly resourced region with low vaccine ratres....and known Govt response admissions that areas of our society will be impacted more severely than others.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2830004 10-Dec-2021 15:20
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Community Roadblocks,
Bigger risks for them are actually the relatives that will be let through due to being locals.
Their local unvaccinated travelling in and out of the area freely as they are locals.
People welcomed in to sell their natural therapies and such.

 

Bobby bigbucks with his Mercruiser on the Trailer will have little interaction with them.
If they have a valid vaccine pass.
Richie Rich is sailing his Yacht around the point, so you're not stopping them.

 

Just get the locals vaccinated, and their cuisses !  

 

Holidays and individual risks. 
Well that will depend a lot the group activities you participate in, where, when, who.

I see one group is having its regular competition and meet up, just with strict vaccine pass logging.
Though they are a more quiet lot, and not bar hopping yahoos.

 

Motels, AirB&B, well I suppose some open windows to air the rooms out, 'quick' wipe of common surfaces. 
I keep trying tell some acquaintances its not absorbed through skin, simple sanitizer or soap.
Basic and cheapest is as good as any, you are not doing open heart surgery.
Gloves are just something else to go wrong, sweaty mess in summer.

 

Outdoors good sea breeze, queueing at respectful distance at ice-cream stand, masking wherever there are crowds or avoid ?  

 

Giving the local airless strip club a miss seems to be a good idea.


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