2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2844774 7-Jan-2022 10:39

Eva888: Some good news from my feed pointing to an end in sight?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1543468/coronavirus-news-covid-risk-of-death-over-70s-vaccine-immunity-treatments

This article seems to veer close to anti-vax propaganda in places. The Express is a sensationalist tabloid with a bad reputation for inaccurate reporting and intentional distortion. I would not trust anything I read here unless it is verified by more reputable sources.

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#2844776 7-Jan-2022 10:46

Rikkitic:

Eva888: Some good news from my feed pointing to an end in sight?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1543468/coronavirus-news-covid-risk-of-death-over-70s-vaccine-immunity-treatments

This article seems to veer close to anti-vax propaganda in places. The Express is a sensationalist tabloid with a bad reputation for inaccurate reporting and intentional distortion. I would not trust anything I read here unless it is verified by more reputable sources.

They glossed over the key point in the first paragraph.... most over 70s in the UK will be double vaxxed or boosted, + there are a boat load new treatment options....

"Research shows the risk of death from Covid for over 70s has decreased by tenfold compared to a year ago, thanks to Vaccines, natural immunity, treatments, and the replacement of Delta by the mild Omicron variant."

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#2844777 7-Jan-2022 10:53

Picking up a pulse oxymeter today, as well as some over the counter bits and pieces to put in a Covid kit for the inevitable.

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#2844778 7-Jan-2022 10:55

wellygary:

They glossed over the key point in the first paragraph.... most over 70s in the UK will be double vaxxed or boosted, + there are a boat load new treatment options....

"Research shows the risk of death from Covid for over 70s has decreased by tenfold compared to a year ago, thanks to Vaccines, natural immunity, treatments, and the replacement of Delta by the mild Omicron variant."

Further down the article they seem to be minimising the need or usefulness of anti-virus measures. They even compare Omicron to the 'common cold' and keep banging on about how 'mild' it is. This is contrary to everything else I have been seeing and I believe it has not yet been scientifically determined how mild or otherwise Omicron is.

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#2844779 7-Jan-2022 10:58

wellygary:

I have friends working in Hospitals and the Medical system in OZ and they are noting that diarrhoea and dehydration are very common symptoms of Omicron... also sore throats headaches achiness.

I'm putting together some packs of electrolyte replacements and throat lozenges, along with Voltarin and ibuprofen for family members,

It may be worth thinking about getting some stuff in next time you are at the Chemist/Supermarket...

Omicron is coming and will probably get out of MIQ within the next month.....

Hi there,

Just be mindful about the use of Non steroidal anti inflammatory (NSAIDS) in the dehydrated patient,. Especially young people and children. The reason is that they can be quite harsh on the kidneys, and dehydration significantly increases the risk to renal function (the operation of the kidneys).

There are also side effects which affect people who have Gastro problems, Asthma, and a bunch of other things. Clearly if your Doctor thinks it is safe for you to use then all good.

I also have Ibuprofen in bulk, and the same with paracetamol. Lots of medicines have issues hey. Judicious use is the key.

Nice idea about the fluids, the gastro intestinal tract upsets are certainly a feature of Covid and indeed the primary thing I worry about in terms of an in home care model is dehydration.

We are a household of four people. So we have a stash of poweraide Isontonic drinks, two bottles per person for the worst days of the illness (people typically describe a rough 48 hours if indeed there is going to be a rough patch at all, that means one drink per day with supplementary H20). Half the bottles are sugar free for the prediabetic in the family and the rest are full sugar.

As people will appreciate, the runs, and vomiting cause large amounts of fluid loss. Fever does the same. The other threat is that you hear frequent reports of people being too weak to mobilize from their beds. So you potentially have a chain of signs and symptoms here that could lead to profound dehydration and the associated complications from that.

Headaches are worsened by dehydration and so forth.

The lozenges are a good idea, some numbing is better than none. We have a large Jar of high UMF Manuka honey for soothing the throat.

We have a lot of instant soup on standby for ease of use, in case no one feels much like fussing over a stove, and a bunch of breakfast drinks...up and go for the same reason and instant calories....easy consumption and swallowing.

For kids, rather than sports drinks, having their favorite fizzy drink on stand by is a good idea, the key here is to give them the sugar content and the fluid replacement in a form that they will not refuse.

For the opposite extreme, we have dried prunes in case all this liquid diet feasting leads to getting bunged up, however given the risk of diarrhea for some people, you really need to take care and a less is more approach with this type of home quackery.

The key really is to have a plan, have a stash of Plague foods ready to support your family for up to 14 days.

Just keep swimming...

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#2844791 7-Jan-2022 11:41

NSW case numbers & hospitalisations continuing to rise (38,625 & 1,738 respectively)

A lot of interesting NSW covid (& some flu) stats in link below. Only up to 18 Dec but interesting nonetheless. Week to 25 Dec should be out later today or soon after?

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20211118.pdf

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#2844797 7-Jan-2022 11:58

Rikkitic:
Eva888: Some good news from my feed pointing to an end in sight?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1543468/coronavirus-news-covid-risk-of-death-over-70s-vaccine-immunity-treatments

This article seems to veer close to anti-vax propaganda in places. The Express is a sensationalist tabloid with a bad reputation for inaccurate reporting and intentional distortion. I would not trust anything I read here unless it is verified by more reputable sources.

It seems some people prefer to continue with only the doom gloom scenario. There are many scientists who report that Omicron is milder.

Nothing anti-vax about the article. Quite the opposite from a reliable government employed source. Professor Anthony Brookes, an expert in genetics and health data at University of Leicester, helped compile the research based on Office of National Statistics, Government and NHS infection reports. He is a real person ( I checked) and who I am certain would be suing if he was misquoted and made to look a fool.

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#2844798 7-Jan-2022 11:59

Yet another anti-vaxxer dies, one who spoke out against protection measures. Her husband sounds more onto it though.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/01/coronavirus-unvaccinated-us-republican-politician-kelly-ernby-against-vaccine-mandates-dies-of-covid-19.html

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#2844800 7-Jan-2022 12:00

Eva888: There are many scientists who report that Omicron is milder.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/01/it-is-killing-people-stop-calling-omicron-mild-says-who.html

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#2844801 7-Jan-2022 12:13

quickymart:

Eva888: There are many scientists who report that Omicron is milder.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/01/it-is-killing-people-stop-calling-omicron-mild-says-who.html

Yes, there is a difference between mild and milder

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#2844804 7-Jan-2022 12:31

I'm curious which bit you find astonishing?

Among the general incompetence?

This

“The expiry dates on people’s vaccine passes are therefore meaningless,” Seymour said.

“They’re not linked to the date of vaccination and therefore immunity levels, they’re just linked to when you downloaded the pass.”

And

Concerns about whether vaccine passes accurately reflected holders’ level of immunity to Covid-19 were raised in mid-December after 1.1 million passes had already been issued.

And

Some health professionals wanted to see the expiry period dropped below six months, and there was some concern people who had been vaccinated months before the passes became available were getting expiry dates seven or more months after their last shot.

The document proves little more than at some point you had a Vaccination.

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#2844813 7-Jan-2022 13:20

Geektastic:

The document proves little more than at some point you had a Vaccination.

Which was originally the point, I guess? It wasn't known then that more frequent boosters would be required. They at least built in a 6 month limit, capped at 1 June so any changes they want to make can be actioned by then at the latest.

I'm not sure what they'll do if they want to mandate that only boostered passes are valid before then. I suppose it would be pretty easy to change the scanner to only green light those passes (assuming that data can be encoded in the QR) but that doesn't help places that sight and don't scan passes. Perhaps they could embed a picture in the middle of the QR indicating as such? But maybe it's not that big of a problem and they can wait until June.

BTW: My international pass appears to be valid until December 22 so it's not a problem unique to NZ.

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#2844816 7-Jan-2022 13:54

Eva888:

It seems some people prefer to continue with only the doom gloom scenario. There are many scientists who report that Omicron is milder.

Nothing anti-vax about the article. Quite the opposite from a reliable government employed source. Professor Anthony Brookes, an expert in genetics and health data at University of Leicester, helped compile the research based on Office of National Statistics, Government and NHS infection reports. He is a real person ( I checked) and who I am certain would be suing if he was misquoted and made to look a fool.

I am not at all into doom and gloom. But the tone of that article might well make an uninformed reader think that Covid is 'just a little flu', nothing to worry about or take precautions for. Omicron may well be 'milder', though that is not yet proven, but it is not 'mild', as it keeps being referred to. I am not questioning the competence of Professor Brooks, just the selective quoting of the journalist. For example, what about the legions of people who did not die from Covid, but may suffer crippling disability from 'long Covid'? The article is superficial, slanted, and one-sided.

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#2844821 7-Jan-2022 14:06

bazzer:

Geektastic:

The document proves little more than at some point you had a Vaccination.

Which was originally the point, I guess? It wasn't known then that more frequent boosters would be required. They at least built in a 6 month limit, capped at 1 June so any changes they want to make can be actioned by then at the latest.

The 6 month period was clearly when they believed it wouldn't be needed any more (ie vax rates well over 90%)- which is where we are now....

TBH Omicron makes the use of Vax passes a but redundant,

it is so virulent that in a couple of months anyone circulating in the community will get it, (most will have milder or no symptoms)-

Even if you are not boosted its highly likely you will have developed immunity to it by being infected.....

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#2844822 7-Jan-2022 14:22

Rikkitic:

Omicron may well be 'milder', though that is not yet proven, but it is not 'mild', as it keeps being referred to. I am not questioning the competence of Professor Brooks, just the selective quoting of the journalist. For example, what about the legions of people who did not die from Covid, but may suffer crippling disability from 'long Covid'? The article is superficial, slanted, and one-sided.

There's also the niggling matter of a population with low personal fitness, high obesity and a generally strained health system can cope with a sudden rush of demand that by logic, a more highly transmissible variant may cause - even if the end result of the virus itself isn't the death of the individual who is infected.

From what we've seen in Sydney, I'd consider putting off any heart attacks you might have penciled in over the next six months.

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