2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2855141 23-Jan-2022 12:51

SJB:
Batman:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/127562368/covid19-chris-hipkins-says-significant-border-changes-are-possible-in-first-half-of-this-year

Looks like he's suggesting returnees self isolate. Seriously why is he bothering. Self isolation of large numbers is a joke.

Yes if there is no covid in the community. Not if covid is endemic

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#2855159 23-Jan-2022 13:27

Gurezaemon:
I'm booked for Tuesday at a local chemist, but will now probably have to deal with hordes of walk-ins who've taken this move to red as a wake-up call.

I had my booster at a chemist and my original two at a clinic.

The skill level demonstrated in the chemist was lower than I would exhibit injecting livestock! I won't be going to a non medical professional again if further doses are required.

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#2855165 23-Jan-2022 13:36

rugrat:

vexxxboy:

personally i cant tell the difference between orange and red

Mainly the entertainment industry is effected. Crowd Gatherings are limited in size, which means beer festivals and things will have to cancel, have to sit down in Pubs, which means no social interaction with people outside your group.

I was enjoying the sauna at council pool, it’s my way of relaxing, guess that will be gone under red.

Shouldn't be an issue, CVC required for Council gyms/pools. No different in red.

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#2855171 23-Jan-2022 13:52

Also PM cancels wedding

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#2855173 23-Jan-2022 13:56

The test of our time is upon us. Seems strange after two years that we are finally facing Covid 19 in all it's Fury.

Fore warned is fore armed.

Sobering hearing the Govt acknowledge infrastructure and supply chain crisis planning.

Omicron is like preparing for a Hurricane.

Just keep swimming...

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#2855184 23-Jan-2022 14:33

Anyone in Nelson, Motueka is the antivax, antimask, freedum market doing a roaring trade this afternoon ?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/01/richmond-stallholders-set-up-separatist-freedom-market-to-flout-covid-regulations.html

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#2855187 23-Jan-2022 14:40

I was wondering why they bothered to drop northland down to alert level orange when most of us probably knew that the entire country would be going to red in a few days.

We can see what has happened in Australia. We have had quite a head start but not enough people boosted, and only boosted people have maximum protection against Omicron. It should have been set to 3 months, not 4 months, like they have done in other countries. Not enough eligible people have gone to get boosted, and those people who have to wait until February or March to get the booster could have got it by now. IMO it is crazy that we are using the red alert system, which was designed for Delta (which has a far lower R0 rate), and the traffic light system was designed for high vaccination rates. Where we now know that the current two doses need a booster for Omicron, to have the most effectiveness. They could have easily brought in more restrictions to control the spread. IMO we are going to have to flatten the curve over a longer period of time to try an suppress the spread. If only MIQ had been 14 days and not 10, and some of these outlier cases that were detected in the community after they had been in MIQ would have been blocked while in MIQ.

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#2855190 23-Jan-2022 14:48

i think the single biggest thing they can do i change the booster to 3 months from tomorrow, just wait, if anybody has half a brain that's what we should see in the coming days

probably need to cough up a million bucks for the code developer to make the change and then the pharmacies will find out a week later

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#2855193 23-Jan-2022 14:52

Batman:

i think the single biggest thing they can do i change the booster to 3 months from tomorrow, just wait, if anybody has half a brain that's what we should see in the coming days

probably need to cough up a million bucks for the code developer to make the change and then the pharmacies will find out a week later

But do they have the supply to do this? I am guessing it was 4 months because they didn't have the supply, as most other countires seem to have set it to 3 months.. But a lot of people eligible haven't bothered to get it yet. But there are a lot of people who want to get it and have waited 3 months but are still not eligible until February. I think there is probably a big bubble of people in this situation.

Would vaccination centres turn away people who turn up after 3 months instead of 4, if they have supply on hand to do them?

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#2855197 23-Jan-2022 15:00

does this say we have 2.6 million doses on hand?

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#by_soh

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#2855206 23-Jan-2022 15:29

I’d be a bit careful racing to get a booster at three months when Pfizer, CDC, UK BHA etc have said at least 5 months between 2nd dose and getting a booster as your body needs the longer time to produce a stronger response, particularly given the poor advice from Labour/MoH that was given on the timing of the initial doses (10-12 weeks is preferable not three). This all leads back to poor planning (not surprised at all) from Labour in obtaining the vaccines in the first place. Based on me getting my 2nd dose 12 weeks after first dose I’ll be getting my booster at the end of April.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-booster

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/07/26/nz-urged-to-consider-longer-gap-between-each-pfizer-jab/

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2021/05/covid-pfizer-vaccination-interval-antibody-response.aspx

Clearly if you are at risk, then a booster at three months makes sense but if you want optimal protection you will have waited 12 weeks or so between first and second doses and 5-6 months for your booster.

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#2855207 23-Jan-2022 15:31

Prof Baker is discussing this now on NTZB and he was half expecting that there would have been an announcement today that the time would drop from 4 months to 3 months. Also after you get the booster, you have to wait another 2 weeks for the booster to take effect. Many people are going to miss out on the benefits of the booster as a result because they will instead end up getting the virus. I suspect they will shorten the gap but the question seems to be supply, otherwise why wouldn't they have just followed other countries. I wonder if Australia was boosted earlier, how much it would have affected their outbreak.

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#2855211 23-Jan-2022 15:46

mattwnz:

Would vaccination centres turn away people who turn up after 3 months instead of 4, if they have supply on hand to do them?

I’m at a drive through vaccination site right now. The people in front of us just got turned away after a 1 hour 45 minute wait because they weren’t at 4 months until 30 Jan.

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#2855212 23-Jan-2022 15:46

Questions, If you have no comorbidities, and are extremely fit. Are You are better off waiting the optimal time for your booster? Which is/was 6 months or still get at 4 months? I admit, I am little confused on this one.

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#2855213 23-Jan-2022 15:49

Here’s a good explanation as to why you need a longer period for the booster, and the evidence also is that the booster is highly effective after seven days, unlike the initial two doses.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-26/boosters-prevent-covid-better-after-six-month-wait-doctors-say

https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-shows-how-fast-covid-booster-shot-protection-kicks-in-2021-11?amp

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