2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2873087 23-Feb-2022 09:40

GV27:
So the promised testing capacity of 70K tests a day falls apart when you have multiple positives in batches that needs to be re-run.

It's just a big impressive number but totally impractical when you have an outbreak that would actually trigger that kind of demand.

I have no idea why there is the need to test everybody.

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#2873102 23-Feb-2022 10:01

freitasm:

For those talking about how mild Omicron is... Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

With around 60% of Americans fully vaccinated during the most recent wave, daily deaths from omicron are still relatively high, which begs the question: Who is dying of COVID-19 when there is such strong vaccination coverage?

The bolded items make me laugh (and sad). Do they honestly believe that 60% is strong?

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#2873111 23-Feb-2022 10:07

Batman: I have no idea why there is the need to test everybody.

A lot of workplaces require a negative test to return to work and I think the employer support for isolating staff requires it as well.

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#2873123 23-Feb-2022 10:19

Senecio:

freitasm:

For those talking about how mild Omicron is... Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

With around 60% of Americans fully vaccinated during the most recent wave, daily deaths from omicron are still relatively high, which begs the question: Who is dying of COVID-19 when there is such strong vaccination coverage?

The bolded items make me laugh (and sad). Do they honestly believe that 60% is strong?

It's laughable. But the most important lesson here is that despite what covidiots, anti-vaxxers and covid-deniers say, our strategy to close borders, get people vaccinated, push boosters and mandates will give us results that other nations would only dream of.

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#2873126 23-Feb-2022 10:20

freitasm:

For those talking about how mild Omicron is... Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

That pretty clearly shows that the vast majority of people dying are the unvaccinated, which in NZ is an extremely low percentage; and who quite honestly will only have themselves to blame (those with legitimate medical reasons for not be able to vaccinate are excluded, of course).

From everything I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) Omicron typically is mild in a fully vaccinated person (and even more so in a boosted person). I completely agree it's a different story in a poorly vaccinated population, but that's not what we have in NZ.

If masks slow the spread, keep the mask policies for now. Until the wave passes continue self isolation of positive cases. But the long isolation periods for close contacts will cripple workplaces and force many to close due to lack of available staff. Based on the numbers I'm reading the cost/benefit ratio seems to be out of kilter.

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#2873131 23-Feb-2022 10:25

@Paul1977:

freitasm:

For those talking about how mild Omicron is... Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

That pretty clearly shows that the vast majority of people dying are the unvaccinated, which in NZ is an extremely low percentage; and who quite honestly will only have themselves to blame (those with legitimate medical reasons for not be able to vaccinate are excluded, of course).

From everything I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) Omicron typically is mild in a fully vaccinated person (and even more so in a boosted person). I completely agree it's a different story in a poorly vaccinated population, but that's not what we have in NZ.

If masks slow the spread, keep the mask policies for now. Until the wave passes continue self isolation of positive cases. But the long isolation periods for close contacts will cripple workplaces and force many to close due to lack of available staff. Based on the numbers I'm reading the cost/benefit ratio seems to be out of kilter.

The point I am trying to make is that our policies are paying off as we have a much better chance of staving off a high death toll thanks to our much higher vaccination rates.

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#2873135 23-Feb-2022 10:29

I think we are close to Red Phase 3 now so close contact isolation times are about to be reduced to, like you say, keep work places open.

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#2873138 23-Feb-2022 10:30

freitasm:

The point I am trying to make is that our policies are paying off as we have a much better chance of staving off a high death toll thanks to our much higher vaccination rates.

And I agree that the policies that got us to this point worked well. But my point is that because of the position we are in now (largely because of those policies), some of those policies (in my opinion) could be relaxed more than they have been.

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#2873142 23-Feb-2022 10:36

Buster:

I think we are close to Red Phase 3 now so close contact isolation times are about to be reduced to, like you say, keep work places open.

I thought it was more a change of criteria as to what constituted a "close contact", but isolation periods remain unchanged? Unless they've changed it again.

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#2873151 23-Feb-2022 10:44

It would be interesting to know what the death rate is for the other endemic coronaviruses. I would hazard a guess that it would be more than 0.4 per 100,000.

If so, then people need to get their vaccinations up to date and just get on with their lives. I am sick of living in fear.

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#2873193 23-Feb-2022 11:30

I'm at the peak of my immunity I don't want to wait until it gets low before it slowly makes its way to me.

I hear you, just live normally

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#2873194 23-Feb-2022 11:39

alasta:

It would be interesting to know what the death rate is for the other endemic coronaviruses. I would hazard a guess that it would be more than 0.4 per 100,000.

If so, then people need to get their vaccinations up to date and just get on with their lives. I am sick of living in fear.

We're not, from the governmental level now, living in fear. Red setting allows a vaccinated person to move about without practical limitations (bar overseas travel) and therefore assess their own risks, the red/orange is really there to indicate the load on the health system now. So go forth and prosper but expect to be catch Covid 19 and when you do take the right level of precaution for those that are vulnerable so that they are not put at risk, e.g. kids below 5 and the immunocompromised.

Once my kids have had their second dose next month, I will be back in the office daily and engaging with life, cautiously in areas where the outbreak is large, but I'm not planning on staying home unless I catch Covid.

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#2873208 23-Feb-2022 12:03

alasta:

It would be interesting to know what the death rate is for the other endemic coronaviruses. I would hazard a guess that it would be more than 0.4 per 100,000.

If so, then people need to get their vaccinations up to date and just get on with their lives. I am sick of living in fear.

Aside from some border issues which will relax over the next while, there's literally nothing you're currently prevented from doing. Go live your life!

The government is currently just trying to flatten the curve as best they can. That way if you get some very run-of-the-mill illness that would usually be no big deal, you don't turn up to hospital and get ignored because they're chock full of "mild" COVID cases and you end up dying of something embarrassing like gallstones.

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#2873264 23-Feb-2022 13:22

3297 tested cases in NZ

Southern Cases

455 new cases for Southern DHB, due to problem of prior undercounting.

Many having NIH numbers from other regions.
So the system plonked them in other region counts which is being corrected.

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#2873279 23-Feb-2022 14:17

Buster:

I think we are close to Red Phase 3 now so close contact isolation times are about to be reduced to, like you say, keep work places open.

I am a bit confused as to why we have moved to this phase so early . This outbreak is still in early stages, so why not just move to this stage when they went to stage 2 if they are going this early to keep work places open. Stage 3 will likely increase the infection rate, rather than flattening the cure as a much as possible. Many people are shielding anyway and not going out and about, so the current response in at least the next few months is not the best economic response.

I also noticed that there are no locations of interest on the map in the Wairarapa despite their being quite a lot of cases, I think 16 today, and there were 10 in a few schools last week, and otheres reported in previous days. Are they now not bothering to update the locations of interest? Is it because people don't want to be forced to isolate? What the point of scanning now, if they aren't updating the locations of interest where there are relatively low number of cases still?

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