2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#3115929 15-Aug-2023 07:11

Still about a million people with bluetooth tracing active. What a waste of effort - during the delta outbreak they didn't even use it for contact tracing (as documented here on GZ).

GSManiac

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#3115932 15-Aug-2023 07:20

I’m going to keep the Bluetooth tracking via the Covid 19 app running. You’re still able to report positive results so I’m guessing they can still use the location data to notify people you’ve been in prolonged contact with.

wellygary

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#3116528 16-Aug-2023 06:44

GSManiac: I’m going to keep the Bluetooth tracking via the Covid 19 app running. You’re still able to report positive results so I’m guessing they can still use the location data to notify people you’ve been in prolonged contact with.

Nope, they aren’t doing any contact tracing... to get your phone data requires actions from the ministry of health ...

from Monday’s announcement:

Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall: No. They are not proactively contact tracing, but there have been systems set up for, for example, calling people for support with antivirals. And all of those systems are being reassessed in light of today’s decisions

GSManiac

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#3116534 16-Aug-2023 07:03

I just saw this from the MOH website
“Google and Apple are ending technical support for the Bluetooth function of the NZ COVID Tracer app in September 2023.”

That’s a shame.

afe66

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#3116677 16-Aug-2023 11:47

cddt:
Still about a million people with bluetooth tracing active. What a waste of effort - during the delta outbreak they didn't even use it for contact tracing (as documented here on GZ).

? Effort??

So I pressed a couple of buttons on my phone yeah lots of effort
Things were tries, things may not have worked in hindsight but did I spend any effort"??

We don't realise how lucky we were...

Currently my hospital is 104% occupancy and elective surgery being cancelled and it's not really winter and v low covid.

I'm not sure the general public realise how on the edge our system is

Batwing

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#3116689 16-Aug-2023 12:13

This contributes nothing to the discussion but...

I get asked at work why I still mask until I'm on my (isolated by airconditioning) floor for the day.

We have meetings where we discuss how we're always running hybrid meetings because "at least one attendee is always sick"

Later in the agenda someone might say how glad they are restrictions are eased because they love going out socialising, ending their story with how one or more of their family always gets rundown a few days later.

Wrap up with a reminder about how important face to face interactions are to our (software development) teams. When I engage my team it turns out it's only important to management.

It is tiring sometimes actually wanting our health and safety to focus at all on health and not just injury... it's like staff getting sick is a cost of doing business and injury isn't.

Okay rant over.

Canuckabroad

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#3116699 16-Aug-2023 12:24

Ultimately there are 2 camps (and a gradient of viewpoints between them) - one which wants us to go back to mostly or fully working in the office because they love the commute and interacting with different people and water cooler talk and socialising...the other which wants to have flexible working and only go into the office when it benefits the activity occurring or to help maintain relationships with people.

Both will come up with logical-sounding explanations to support their viewpoint, but ultimately it still comes down to people having different needs and priorities, and trying to massage the situation to be one which matches their preferences.

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cddt

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#3116716 16-Aug-2023 13:05

afe66:

? Effort??

So I pressed a couple of buttons on my phone yeah lots of effort
Things were tries, things may not have worked in hindsight but did I spend any effort"??

I consider it a waste because it wasn't used when it could have been useful.

Buying a helmet is a waste if you don't wear it while riding your bike.

Batwing

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#3116719 16-Aug-2023 13:07

It would be cool to have something measurable.

Like discussing in person reduced time spent or cost of outcome by X, vs combined commute time of attendees cost of transportation. Increased risk of transmitting illness and so forth.

What gets me about the both sides, is yeah at an emotional level there are differing needs, at one point in time introverts has to give up 100% of their need to be alone / not in the office. Now we have at least a semblance of balance but it feels begrudging like I owe my colleagues the interaction they want for non work related reasons.

Yes it's far more complex, and probably a bit off topic from purely covid talk .

Canuckabroad

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#3116733 16-Aug-2023 13:42

I agree it's not directly Covid talk, but it's absolutely a topic which has been furthered by leaps and bounds because of the isolation requirements from Covid. Portions of our society pretty much went on hold and stopped operating entirely, while other portions found they could continue (with varying degrees of impact) while everyone was stuck at home. When the driver for the isolation ended, those segments which required people to be commuting and populating the workplace were very eager to have everything go back to how it was, as did those extroverts who work in segments where there was a lot of flexibility. The introverts (along with all those who were somewhere in between) had just been demonstrated that they could do their job without being in the office (as much) and now found themselves in opposition to the idea that everything should go back to how it was pre-Covid.

I'm a little surprised we didn't see more businesses downsizing their office space and embracing the flexible workplace than what happened. Whether it was because there were leases which couldn't be broken or some other reason - there is a belief that the huge cost savings that companies have when they don't have to provide corporate office space and milk and coffee and other services to staff who are paying for their own power and internet to work remotely - are offset by productivity or quality of service that comes from requiring staff to be in the office.

We could start a separate thread more specifically about flexible/remote working - but it's not like there is much going on with this Covid thread anymore...?

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#3116749 16-Aug-2023 14:14

Canuckabroad: - but it's not like there is much going on with this Covid thread anymore...?

Just wait.

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#3116773 16-Aug-2023 14:32

It's not just introverts vs extroverts, it's also impractical for some people to work from home. Think of young people flatting, for example.

In my case it's really hard to work from home because my work laptop is old and clunky, so difficult to use without external monitors, keyboard, etc. I don' t have that sort of equipment at home as I am not a computer person, so not comfortable having my living space cluttered up with big ugly corporate PC equipment and cables all over the place.

mattwnz

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#3116775 16-Aug-2023 14:33

johno1234:

The public health system from primary care on down is in disarray. People are getting sick and not getting treated or treated far too late to prevent serious illness or worse. Mortality from this can never be calculated or counted but if it could be, it would make COVID itself look like a minor issue.

About 20 people a week are dying from it and it is causing load on the hospitals, so Covid is not minor issue for those who are dying or getting really ill from it. Or those who have developed long covid. I have two family members who recently got it and where seriously ill for 2 weeks the most ill they have been. They had to go onto antivirals and still not 100% over it months later. People that make the decisions in NZ are generally younger and healthier so may not be all that affected by it if they catch it. There is at least one major rest home group that is keeping restrictions in place. People inside retirement units have a far higher chance of dying from Covid and I understand Covid is now one of, if not the leading contributor of death in NZ. But NZs economy and skilled people leaving, and not being abel to get new doctors to work in NZ IMO is a bigger factor than Covid, in the state of NZs health system. I was speaking to the head of one medical practice and they said it was a crisis and they just can't get doctors so can't take on any new patients, which people don't really experience until they need help. Most people making the decisions don't or as many are very highly paid, they may have private medical insurance.

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#3116777 16-Aug-2023 14:39

alasta:
It's not just introverts vs extroverts, it's also impractical for some people to work from home. Think of young people flatting, for example.

In my case it's really hard to work from home because my work laptop is old and clunky, so difficult to use without external monitors, keyboard, etc. I don' t have that sort of equipment at home as I am not a computer person, so not comfortable having my living space cluttered up with big ugly corporate PC equipment and cables all over the place.

I don't mind if my colleagues prefer to go in everyday, and if they need to for practical reasons then they have that choice.

Alternatively, I have a great at home setup, better ergo chair etc. than the office. It feels like the best reason I have to go in is because the people that prefer to go in want someone to hang out with them, which if my role involved pastoral care of staff that is reasonable, but when it does not they're making their needs my problem.

Canuckabroad

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#3116783 16-Aug-2023 14:54

I agree it's not just a matter of introverts and extroverts, but it tends to be social extroverts who are strong advocates for why not just they but others should also come to the office. I hear things like "I just love the hum of people talking and being around people - and I miss that when people are working from home" (with the suggestion being that others should be in the office so those people who enjoy it can have that feeling).

I also invested in a home office setup with better chair and display than is available in the office. I recognise not everyone has the space for it and so prefer to be in the office - I guess the issue is those who don't suggest everyone should work the way they each like...but rather everyone should work in the way one person prefers.

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