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#2470988 25-Apr-2020 13:28

If only they would update at the same time they send it out..

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-news-and-media-updates

2:20 yesterday!
So we're reliant on media screwing it up

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#2470991 25-Apr-2020 13:34

Oblivian: So we're reliant on media screwing it up

Media did screw up. Stuff published "One other person, a woman in her 70s, has also died." then scroll down "The man who died was a resident at Rosewood Rest Home & Hospital in Christchurch and had underlying health conditions."

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#2470993 25-Apr-2020 13:36

Hey, let's feel free to do whatever you like and break the rules because what you are doing is politically popular.

RSA Auckland President admits to leading a public gathering in breach of lockdown rules

About 100 people visited the museum at dawn, while maintaining a safe distance from each other's bubbles - a stark contrast to the thousands of people who showed up to services in the years before.

Auckland RSA president Graham Gibson, who led the service, acknowledged the public were asked to commemorate Anzac at home, but said the gathering was important to veterans.

"At some time during today we were going to lay a wreath and do something, it's just part of our DNA."

He suspected the Government knew they would do something small.

"When I was driving here, I knew there would be people here. We all observed our social distancing, so we didn't break any rules," he said.

But you bloody did. And knowingly.

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#2471000 25-Apr-2020 13:43

Oh and it gets better and better. Let's have a choir gather together in New Plymouth and sing together (see previous article). Hey, what's the harm? The hypocrisy of some of these people just staggers -- you want to remember those who gave their lives to defend your freedom (set aside some of the problems of the sentiment - just take it literally): what's a greater freedom than the right for others to keep living or having the best chance to, when all that requires is for you to just look past the tips of your noses and stay at home?

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#2471069 25-Apr-2020 14:15

dejadeadnz:

Hey, let's feel free to do whatever you like and break the rules because what you are doing is politically popular.

RSA Auckland President admits to leading a public gathering in breach of lockdown rules

About 100 people visited the museum at dawn, while maintaining a safe distance from each other's bubbles - a stark contrast to the thousands of people who showed up to services in the years before.

Auckland RSA president Graham Gibson, who led the service, acknowledged the public were asked to commemorate Anzac at home, but said the gathering was important to veterans.

"At some time during today we were going to lay a wreath and do something, it's just part of our DNA."

He suspected the Government knew they would do something small.

"When I was driving here, I knew there would be people here. We all observed our social distancing, so we didn't break any rules," he said.

But you bloody did. And knowingly.

I am a strong supporter of ANZAC day but this was bloody stupid. As the President of one of the larger RSA's he should be setting an example. I feel he should be apologising to all the folk who followed the rules and remembered from their homes and then he should resign.

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#2471072 25-Apr-2020 14:19

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims

From the above:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has said: "We have the opportunity to do something no other country has achieved – elimination of the virus."

It's safe to assume most New Zealanders understood this as meaning we have the potential for the virus to be gone, out of here, see you later, because elimination generally implies "the complete removal or destruction of something". Also, the Covid-19 website says: "Our goal is to eliminate Covid-19 from New Zealand, so that we can live and work free from this disease."

However, during Monday's announcement about the move to alert level three, the prime minister said that we had "taken a quantum leap forward in our goal to eliminate the virus", but "elimination doesn't mean zero cases, it means zero tolerance for cases". What? Elimination doesn't mean zero cases?

It looks like Stuff must have been reading this Geekzone thread, because we drew attention to this a long time ago!

The article goes on to say that:

Yes, the prime minister is technically correct in epidemiology speak. A Dictionary of Epidemiology, 4th edition, defines elimination as a "reduction of case transmission to a predetermined very low level".

However, the prime minister knows very well the general population is not fluent in epidemiological jargon, so up until she decided to tell us on Monday that "elimination doesn't mean zero cases" it's fair to say we've been misled. Whether that was intentional or not, we don't know.

It's amazing isn't it that the term "elimination" means "to get rid of" to the general population, but "reduction to a very low level" to the medical fraternity. Now the PM could have explained this to us all, that when she talked about elimination she was using "medical speak" and not "Jo Blow" speak. Oh well, Stuff finally got around to noticing this, perhaps they should read this thread more often!

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#2471079 25-Apr-2020 14:26

Stuff didn't. Writer did.
It's another opinion piece.

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#2471082 25-Apr-2020 14:28

MikeB4:

I am a strong supporter of ANZAC day but this was bloody stupid. As the President of one of the larger RSA's he should be setting an example. I feel he should be apologising to all the folk who followed the rules and remembered from their homes and then he should resign.

Personally, the moment people started talking about organising these ANZAC events, I predicted right away that something like this will happen. My views of the actual day are fairly predictable based on my observable social leanings but the way serious and otherwise thoughtful people have been cowed into silence as people started talking about organising "safe" celebrations that were exactly of the sort that the authorities were previously discouraging (e.g. driveway gatherings etc) is utterly shameful. The cop who didn't interfere in the Auckland event and failed to arrest the RSA guy should also be fired. Public health isn't something you play politics with: breaching the law and people's welfare in the name of ANZAC commemoration is no more acceptable than breaking the law in the context of an anarchist gathering.

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#2471086 25-Apr-2020 14:35

MikeB4:

I am a strong supporter of ANZAC day but this was bloody stupid. As the President of one of the larger RSA's he should be setting an example. I feel he should be apologising to all the folk who followed the rules and remembered from their homes and then he should resign.

It is all good fun for some people until we find out an ANZAC Day cluster and the people have a "Duh" face. It is a serious current matter, regardless of the seriousness of the moment being remembered.

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#2471089 25-Apr-2020 14:45

And let's be clear about how unhelpful that conduct is: anyone who takes the mickey from this moment forward when it comes to maintaining the required health practices will use society's general *shrug* response towards the above as a classic "Whatboutism" defence. And the Stuff editors should be smacked for implying in the headline that those morons were staying within their bubbles. They were not. There's been billions of dollars worth of sacrifice by millions of people. We did not need that stupid gathering in Auckland or a bunch of **** gathering to sing in New Plymouth and there was not one ounce of legal nor moral justification for either event. It was all just about these people and what they needed -- the RSA guy said so:

"At some time during today we were going to lay a wreath and do something, it's just part of our DNA."

Well, screw your DNA. What about the rights of health workers, other law abiding citizens, or kids that you dragged there?

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#2471095 25-Apr-2020 14:50

freitasm:

It is all good fun for some people until we find out an ANZAC Day cluster and the people have a "Duh" face. It is a serious current matter, regardless of the seriousness of the moment being remembered.

I am very saddened by this. I am very angry and feel betrayed by this very selfish act. That someone who remembers those lost in previous wars has completely forgotten and insulted those who are currently fighting this war and suffering equally.

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#2471098 25-Apr-2020 14:54

MikeB4:
freitasm:

It is all good fun for some people until we find out an ANZAC Day cluster and the people have a "Duh" face. It is a serious current matter, regardless of the seriousness of the moment being remembered.

I am very saddened by this. I am very angry and feel betrayed by this very selfish act. That someone who remembers those lost in previous wars has completely forgotten and insulted those who are currently fighting this war and suffering equally.

Unfortunately it is unsurprising. If it was a bunch of 20 year olds there would be a demand for arrests and mass outrage about the failings of young people. When it's a group of excessively entitled veterans it's tolerated.

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#2471100 25-Apr-2020 14:54

We had a social-distanced service, quite well done actually, one neighbour opened their boot and used their car speakers to play the last post, we all stood in our driveways, and one of the retired servicemen made a short speech from the middle of the street. Then everyone had their BYO'd cup of tea and went back inside. It's perfectly possible to commemorate the occasion without driving anywhere, clustering together, or doing any of the other stuff the RSA lot did.

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#2471102 25-Apr-2020 14:57

My free contribution to Graham Gibson for his next election election campaign to be Auckland RSA President

What a dick. I too am just ****ed off about it, as is every doctor at my wife's department at the hospital.

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