2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2471705 26-Apr-2020 18:30

nzkiwiman:

On the current cases page, one of the last entries is someone who was confirmed on the 25/4 after entering the country from overseas on the 15/3.

As a result, so many questions!

It is likely that this case is covered by note 2 from the MoH Current cases web page

2. The number of cases reported on a particular date may not match the number of cases reported in the last 24 hours. This is because the number of confirmed and probable cases reported in the last 24 hours includes cases which were entered on an earlier date as 'under investigation' or 'suspected' whose status has now been changed to confirmed or probable.

I think this has been mentioned before over in the Covid-19 data thread

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#2471710 26-Apr-2020 18:52

Nearly 25,000 email addresses and passwords allegedly from NIH, WHO, Gates Foundation and others are dumped online. Who posted them is unknown, but they immediately became fodder for right-wing activists attacking the organizations

Story here.

Another reason why Covid19 is doing so "well", it's got a third column of far-right nutcases helping it along.

Neo-Nazis and white supremacists capitalized on the lists and published them aggressively across their venues,” said Rita Katz, SITE’s executive director. “Using the data, far-right extremists were calling for a harassment campaign while sharing conspiracy theories about the coronavirus pandemic. The distribution of these alleged email credentials were just another part of a months-long initiative across the far right to weaponize the covid-19 pandemic.”

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#2471727 26-Apr-2020 19:26

Technofreak: My EFTPOS card doesn't offer a contact less payment option. I don't know how many people would be affected by this limitation

Someone told me the trick where you don't use your fingers to press the EFTPOS buttons, but use a pen or the corner of the card.

Personally I wear vinyl gloves when going food shopping, and throw them away once I've paid.

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#2471729 26-Apr-2020 19:29

For specialised devices that do this, the Hygiene Hand is now available from cloners. They've got it to market faster than the original designers, always a problem with easily-manufactured Kickstarter/Indiegogo projects.

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#2471735 26-Apr-2020 19:50

Washington Post: Trump expands battle with World Health Organization far beyond aid suspension

President Trump and his top aides are working behind the scenes to sideline the World Health Organization on several new fronts as they seek to shift blame for the coronavirus pandemic to the world body, according to U.S. and foreign officials involved in the discussions.

Last week, the president announced a 60-day hold on U.S. money to the WHO, but other steps by his top officials go beyond a temporary funding freeze, raising concerns about the permanent weakening of the organization amid a rapidly spreading crisis.

At the State Department, officials are stripping references to the WHO from coronavirus fact sheets, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has instructed his employees to “cut out the middle man” when it comes to public health initiatives the United States previously supported through the WHO.

The United States will now attempt to reroute the WHO funds to nongovernment organizations involved in public health issues, according to interviews with U.S. officials and an internal memo obtained by The Washington Post.

...Trump, who has said the outbreak could be contained with “very little death” if the WHO had done its job, reiterated his complaints during a Group of Seven conference call this month. World leaders cautioned that it would be unwise to “switch horses” in the middle of the race and that an investigation into mistakes could be made after the crisis subsides, European officials familiar with the conversation said. After the call, several G-7 leaders issued public statements in support of the WHO.

The Trump administration’s moves could prove far more damaging to the WHO than the temporary halt in funding, said experts who reviewed the State Department memo and tracked U.S. actions.

...Critics say the president is scapegoating the WHO to distract from charges that he responded slowly to the pandemic and waited too long to implement protective measures that would have saved lives in the United States. They also question the value of seeking alternatives to the WHO at this juncture.

The institution’s defenders note that since late January, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has held near-daily news conferences about the virus and warned leaders that the window for stopping its spread was quickly “closing.” Officials from the Trump administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were embedded in the WHO and continue to work with it, even as Trump publicly rails against the agency.

...Pompeo has suggested that the United States, which contributed $553 million to the WHO in 2019, may withhold all funding to the organization in the future. On Wednesday night, he declined to rule out the possibility that the United States would seek Tedros’s removal as a condition for resuming funding.

...Organizations that work with the WHO have said that while it could have responded to the pandemic more quickly, attempts to undercut it are misguided.

...U.S. attendance at WHO-related events has also begun to slip, officials said. On Friday, the United States did not participate in the launch of a World Health Organization global effort on vaccines and drugs related to coronavirus. WHO leaders “really, really” hoped for U.S. attendance and asked Washington repeatedly to participate, a WHO official said.

...For weeks the U.N. Security Council has been working on a resolution calling for a global cease fire pertaining to armed conflict in response to the pandemic. A draft offered by the French and viewed by The Post urged member states to “share timely and transparent information regarding the outbreak of COVID-19” and “support the full implementation of the WHO International Health Regulations.”

That reference to the WHO was opposed by the United States, European officials said.

A State Department official said the U.S. continues to support a global cease fire in principle but also needs to look out for its “legitimate” interests.

...“The U.S. administration is very fixated on the reelection campaign and on who can get blamed for this catastrophic covid-19 situation in the U.S.,” said a senior European official. “They are blaming WHO and China for it. Therefore it is very difficult to agree on a common language about the WHO.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-expands-battle-with-world-health-organization-far-beyond-aid-suspension/2020/04/25/72c754e6-856e-11ea-9728-c74380d9d410_story.html

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#2471736 26-Apr-2020 19:59

neb: For specialised devices that do this, the Hygiene Hand is now available from cloners. They've got it to market faster than the original designers, always a problem with easily-manufactured Kickstarter/Indiegogo projects.

The brass is popular for doorknobs and in hospital push plates. It's reasonable to assume it'd kill coranavrius a little quicker hopefully.

Silver is also popular for antimicrobial properties, but obviously more pricey than copper-alloy

Wiki: Antimicrobial copper-alloy touch surfaces

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#2471739 26-Apr-2020 20:18

kingdragonfly: The brass is popular for doorknobs and in hospital push plates. It's reasonable to assume it'd kill coranavrius a little quicker hopefully.

It's not just a reasonable assumption, copper has good antibacterial, antiviral and anti-fungal properties, as do all copper alloys. It's the perfect material to make it from. Google "copper antimicrobial" or similar.

And that's the concern with the Chinesium clones, one set of them is sold as "silver" which probably has zero copper in it, and even the "gold" might be some cheap alloy because it does't look much like brass. It just has to be a yellow alloy, not necessarily expensive brass.

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#2471741 26-Apr-2020 20:23

Forbes: Alert Level 3 Restrictions To Begin In New Zealand This Week

...While New Zealand is definitely heading in the right direction, the COVID-19 crisis is still far from over. As long as everyone is on the same page and continues to practice the necessary health and safety measures—maintaining social distance, washing your hands and staying inside except for essential activities—the country will continue to be a shining example of how to handle the virus.

CNN: I left Hong Kong for a break. Instead I got stuck with my parents for weeks

Wellington, New Zealand (CNN)I'm a 30-year-old woman and my dad has just told me to clean my room.

It's slightly humiliating, but not entirely surprising. For the past month, I've been at my childhood home in New Zealand on coronavirus lockdown -- and it appears I'll be living with my parents for the foreseeable future.

...And as we head into a recession, many more could follow suit.
...

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#2471747 26-Apr-2020 20:47

Technofreak:

I don't agree the "Stunt" as you call it is necessarily any more risky than a lot of other things happening right now. That's assuming it was conducted as has been reported. Was it appropriate in the circumstances? Probably not. Did in create any significant more risk? Probably not.

I went to gathering an ANZAC day. I went to the local supermarket where there was about 60 - 70 other like minded people gathered there all going about their business observing the social distancing rules. Is that really materially different to a group of like minded people gathering in a park and observing social distancing rules?

There's no "probably" with regards to the idiot from the Auckland RSA. He deliberately pre-planned and pre-organised a large gathering of people, contrary to a legitimately made law designed to protect public health. Many of the attendees were likely to be some of the most vulnerable in the event they catch the disease. This is all together different from a spontaneously occurring coming together of people. The latter is still potentially illegal but at least there's a much lower degree of intentional lawlessness (if any) -- there's simply no room for doubt that the guy deliberately caused that gathering to happen. You don't get to decide which laws you have to follow. And when people all get to decide for themselves what is safe and what is dangerous, this is when mistakes get made and terrible things happen. He's one person -- if people started behaving stupidly, what could he have done to control the crowd?

A bit of tradition and making some people feel good isn't worth the risk of anyone dying; nor is it morally acceptable to impose the potential of the wide-ranging social costs of a new cluster of infection upon the overwhelming majority who have behaved correctly.

What you think simply does not matter.

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#2471763 26-Apr-2020 21:37

dejadeadnz:
He deliberately pre-planned and pre-organised a large gathering of people, contrary to a legitimately made law designed to protect public health.

You have evidence? What was reported on TV was that he called a reporter, saying they "could come down to wreath laying ceremony, but there would only be 2 or 3 people". The reporter duly turned up and was surprised to see 100 or so people there. The wreath layer also expressed surprise that so many people were there.

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#2471764 26-Apr-2020 21:38

mattwnz:

Part of the problem is also that people lie to the people tracing, and it can take weeks to actually contact people,while the virus silently spreads

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#2471770 26-Apr-2020 21:57

frankv:
dejadeadnz:
He deliberately pre-planned and pre-organised a large gathering of people, contrary to a legitimately made law designed to protect public health.

You have evidence? What was reported on TV was that he called a reporter, saying they "could come down to wreath laying ceremony, but there would only be 2 or 3 people". The reporter duly turned up and was surprised to see 100 or so people there. The wreath layer also expressed surprise that so many people were there.

The Stuff article unambiguously quoted him (and your report of what he said on the TV supports this), at a minimum, deliberately organising an illegal public gathering and driving for the purpose of attending this illegal gathering. And do try your luck convincing someone that laying a wreath -- and telling people that you were going to do so -- near the War Memorial Museum was not likely to attract further people. So on the absolute best construction of events that you can offer on his behalf, he's still an irresponsible dick who predictably lost control of a totally unnecessary and illegal event.

Stop making excuses for him.

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#2471780 27-Apr-2020 00:09

dejadeadnz:

IMO, they need to detain all confirmed cases in hospitals, as well as people with whom they live. You only need a few of these people to pull a stunt like the Auckland RSA did yesterday for the whole country to be screwed. We've already had one person who was confirmed as having COVID deciding to go out.

The brutal reality is that people can't be trusted. Anyone who's mindful of their own personal wellbeing should also continue to behave like it's level 4.

I think this is a good idea based on the fact that the number of cases is now down to a more manageable level that those who aren't already in resthomes and confined, could be moved to hotels to see out their infection under supervision. And then any new cases could also be moved as well. But I am wondering if doing this wouldn't mean that some people who are incubating it, and then start to show symptoms, then wouldn't get tested. I do fear that in two weeks time we may have numbers back in the double digits again, and it hasn't been eliminated after all. Hope I am wrong. I am surprised that none of the experts appear to have suggested putting existing cases in hotels, and until one of them does, I can't see them doing it.

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#2471781 27-Apr-2020 00:21

If anyone missed it, and I did miss it until I watched TVNZ news tonight, there have been new rules announced today under level 3 for people over 70. In level 2 and up, people over 70 and people at risk had to stay at home, and couldn't go to the supermarket etc. But under level 3, they will be able to go shopping to the supermarket or to work, and it doesn't appear there are now any restrictions, except to be especially careful.

https://covid19.govt.nz/latest-updates/new-alert-level-3-guidance-for-seniors-and-others-at-risk/

New Alert Level 3 guidance for seniors and others at risk
Guidance around what Alert Level 3 means for people over 70 and other higher-risk groups is now available.

26 Apr 2020

People over 70 and other higher-risk groups have the same rights as everyone else to go to work, to exercise and to access essential services like supermarkets and banks.

While the basic rules under Alert Level 3 are the same for everybody, people over 70 and people with specific health conditions need to be especially careful.

If you are at risk, talk to your employer and agree on work and leave arrangements. The COVID-19 Leave Support Scheme has been expanded to all businesses, organisations, and self-employed people to support this.

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#2471783 27-Apr-2020 00:43

mattwnz:
If anyone missed it, and I did miss it until I watched TVNZ news tonight, there have been new rules announced today under level 3 for people over 70. In level 2 and up, people over 70 and people at risk had to stay at home, and couldn't go to the supermarket etc. But under level 3, they will be able to go shopping to the supermarket or to work, and it doesn't appear there are now any restrictions, except to be especially careful.

I don't believe it was ever mandatory for over 70s etc to stay at home, it has always been on a strongly advised basis.

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