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Topic # 184058 9-Nov-2015 09:52
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Uh-oh - something else to worry about, perhaps.

With baked/fried foods, particularly starchy food, there's also acrylamide  (this one was an interesting accidental discovery in chemical plant workers who were working with acrylamide, when tested the levels detected suggested that they'd been exposed industrially to high levels indicating a breach of OSH regulations - but no, they'd just been eating potato chips.  (Acrylamide is the chemical alleged to have been used in "the case of the poisoned professor").

It'd be interesting to know if there's a correlation between frying foods in saturated / polyunsaturated fats and levels of acrylamide formation. It could be if the theory that acrylamide is formed by reaction of amino acids and carbonyls (incl aldehydes - as found above to be related to oil composition in cooking) is correct.

There's been a lot of hype surrounding the supposed "health benefits" of coconut oil.  I suppose this will add further fuel to the fire.

I don't know what to eat for lunch.  



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  Reply # 1423535 9-Nov-2015 10:30
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freitasm: You can always eat WiFi... Oh, wait.




RoHS sticker on my wifi - good to go.
Will I extract more goodness out of it if I put it though the NutriBullet?

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life is a terminal illness. It's never quantity its always quality.




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  Reply # 1423546 9-Nov-2015 10:54
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So - any links to the actual research anywhere in there?

Just a pretty graph and some cherry picked quotes?

Sensationalised headline and scare-tactics throughout?

Yeah - don't think I will base my nutrition on that just yet.

News Flash:
Eat whole foods - most things in moderation and you will be fine.

Binge regularly on fried food, alcohol, MEAT / whatever the hoodoo ingredient of the week is and you will get cancer and DIE TOMORROW.

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  Reply # 1423549 9-Nov-2015 11:12
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wasabi2k: 

Binge regularly on fried food, alcohol, MEAT / whatever the hoodoo ingredient of the week is and you will get cancer and DIE TOMORROW.


60 awesome years or 80 sh!t ones



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  Reply # 1423581 9-Nov-2015 11:38
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wasabi2k: So - any links to the actual research anywhere in there?



I didn't find a link to a scientific paper, but there is this.
Michael Mosley has presented some interesting stuff in the past.

We're bombarded with claim and counter-claim about supposed health benefit / harm of so many products that it's difficult not to become highly cynical when trying to "make sense" of it all.
Some serious mistakes have been made in the past.  I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss what appears to be a revision of past "common wisdom" about diet and disease, including this. More research is needed.  I'd rather that research wasn't funded by the food industry.




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  Reply # 1423583 9-Nov-2015 11:45
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MikeB4: life is a terminal illness. It's never quantity its always quality.


Diseases which are food/lifestyle related (thus potentially preventable) are a serious impediment to "quality" of life at any age.




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kiwitrc:
wasabi2k: 

Binge regularly on fried food, alcohol, MEAT / whatever the hoodoo ingredient of the week is and you will get cancer and DIE TOMORROW.


60 awesome years or 80 sh!t ones


Fat kids are having serious sh!t quality lives before they hit their teens - and the future looks even worse for them.


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  Reply # 1423590 9-Nov-2015 11:53
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I will have to fry my bacon in lard now.


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  Reply # 1423592 9-Nov-2015 11:57
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MikeB4: life is a terminal illness. It's never quantity its always quality.


Diseases which are food/lifestyle related (thus potentially preventable) are a serious impediment to "quality" of life at any age.



moderation, with everything. 




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  Reply # 1423611 9-Nov-2015 12:17
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MikeB4:
Fred99:
MikeB4: life is a terminal illness. It's never quantity its always quality.


Diseases which are food/lifestyle related (thus potentially preventable) are a serious impediment to "quality" of life at any age.



moderation, with everything. 


How much acrylamide/aldehydes/nitrosamines constitutes "moderation" and how much is in what we're eating?
I don't know.

The workers found with high levels of (metabolites of) acrylamide were first assumed to have been exposed to levels of the chemical in the plant they were working - far in excess of allowable limits.  But no - it was in the food they were eating, not the result of sloppy industrial practice.  So something's clearly wrong, either the later claims/assumption that those levels are "safe" is incorrect, or the assumption that those levels as a result of industrial exposure were "unsafe" was clearly wrong.  You can't have it both ways.
That one may not be a massive problem (projected/stochastic impact of exposure) vs what would have been the result if the levels of exposure caused more harm than what has been claimed.  In that case, if there was a big "problem" and it needed to be "fixed", then it would have necessitated a massive change in diet - eliminating or greatly reducing intake of staple food (bread etc).
10 or more years later, it's been mainly forgotten.  I wonder if limits for industrial exposure have been increased - I suspect not. 


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I don't know , I think if we evolved with something bad for us for tens of thousands of years then we either have a fear of it or a coping mechanism.
Anything else is still being tested.

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  Reply # 1430927 19-Nov-2015 09:21
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Aren't we irrelevant as far as evolution goes by mid 30's?

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Many of the diseases today are related to lifestyle, so I figure I should eat a diet that was around before the current obesity/diabetes epidemic.  That was pretty much, meat, veg and the odd homemade cake every now and again. Processed oils are a new invention, so I tend toward the traditional lard, butter, olive oils and coconut oil, which are minimally processed.  Most of my ancestors lived to their 70's and 80's in reasonably good health and this was before vaccines and antibiotics.  They were probably more active too, so I make sure I exercise and keep a reasonable level of fitness.

The problem with the current science in nutrition and health is that it has been compromised by industry.  If you want to look at the studies, learn how to interpret them and analyse the data yourself.  It's not hard, especially for smart people on this site.  Often the conclusion is not what the data shows, and the resulting press releases that appear around the world are written by corporations or vested interest to push a point of view. You need to read it with a skeptical eye.



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  Reply # 1430941 19-Nov-2015 09:35
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Bung: Aren't we irrelevant as far as evolution goes by mid 30's?


The question has been asked, what is the menopause for?  I.e. why do women live once they are infertile?  One possible suggestion is that grandmothers have an effect on the survival of children, perhaps through experience or the ability to care for them when the mothers are off gathering food.

Having more experienced members of the tribe (ie over 40) might lead to greater overall survival.

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