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#196353 27-May-2016 20:45
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US Govt cellphone cancer study finds clear dose response relationship for non-ionising radiation.

The study was performed with CDMA and GSM sources. The planning was completed in 2001 and the study completed in 2013:

Microwave News:The NTP findings show that as the intensity of the radiation increased, so did the incidence of cancer among the rats. “There was a significant dose-response relationship,” a reliable source, who has been briefed on the results, told Microwave News. No effect was seen among mice. The source asked that his/her name not be used since the NTP has not yet made a formal announcement. The rats were exposed to three different exposure levels (1.5, 3 and 6 W/Kg, whole body exposures ) and two different types of cell phone radiation, GSM and CDMA.

An Amazing Coincidence? Importantly, the exposed rats were found to have higher rates of two types of cancers: glioma, a tumor of the glial cells in the brain, and malignant schwannoma of the heart, a very rare tumor. None of the unexposed control rats developed either type of tumor.

Mother Jones: The findings from a $25 million study, conducted over two-and-a-half years by the National Toxicology Program (NTP), showed that male rats exposed to two types of RF radiation were significantly more likely than unexposed rats to develop a type of brain cancer called a glioma, and also had a higher chance of developing the rare, malignant form of tumor known as a schwannoma of the heart

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  #1560976 27-May-2016 20:54
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I have a feeling this link has been proposed before. (Cellphone <-> Brain tumour)

 

 




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  #1560978 27-May-2016 21:03
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joker97:

I had a feeling this link has been proposed before. (Cellphone <-> Brain tumour)


 


It has been proposed many times but no credible link established. This study is very credible, that's the difference.

It is early days. There is no official release yet but senior staff have now confirmed the contents and results after being contacted by the press.

At present government agencies are being briefed on the results and are expected to formulate public advice on that. It appears someone has been concerned it would be buried and began leaking to the press prior to any outcome.



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  #1560979 27-May-2016 21:08
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You will find that proponents will hail this as a game changer,

 

While skeptics will say humans aren't rats.

 

Same old story.


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  #1560993 27-May-2016 21:45
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 I'm not so sure. Let's see.


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  #1561000 27-May-2016 21:55
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I can certainly agree there. There are no details or expert interpretation of the results so far. It is just the study leaders confirming the results unexpectedly show a strong dose response relationship.

 
 
 

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  #1561038 28-May-2016 00:15
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joker97:

 

You will find that proponents will hail this as a game changer,

 

While skeptics will say humans aren't rats.

 

Same old story.

 

 

In this controversy, skeptics have always been those who doubted the safety of cell phones.

 

Proponents are those who say there is no problem with cell phone radiation.


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  #1561042 28-May-2016 00:40
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Dammit - there's a cartoon I can't find here...

 

Mother standing over doctors desk...

 

Doctor: "I have 1000 studies here showing no link between vaccinations and autism, and ONE showing a link"

 

Mother (GRABBING the ONE study out of the doctors hand and smugly storming out): "I _KNEW_ it!"

 

 

 

Wish I could find the cartoon - it's a lot better than my representation, and I fear, this situation may have SOME similarity. I am NOT saying I think the people behind this radiation study are frauds - I'm saying that if 1000 studies say no link found, and 1 study says "Hey, we found a link"... Well, I am going to go with the 1000 unless there's some crazy extenuating circumstances.

 

 

 

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  #1561044 28-May-2016 00:49
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May 5, Australia... no link to brain cancer in 29 years of mobile use
YAAAY, Links all round to millions of studies.

 

Research is awesome... ask for a result, and someone will skew the data/research technique to give you what you want.


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  #1561051 28-May-2016 01:17
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When the effect is very small or non-existent it is hard to understand the difference.

Fortune has the best summary of the research facts from this new US govt study I have seen so far:

http://fortune.com/2016/05/27/cellular-radiation-cancer/

The study will not be released for peer review until 2017. The study was commissioned in 2001 then set up etc and then performed in 2013.

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  #1561053 28-May-2016 01:31
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Ugh reminds me of a customer I once had whilst I worked at Spark years ago (note, this isn't the actual conversation but more how it went on from what I remember).

Customer: I'd like to return this, I am allergic to wireless signals and they cause me to become very sick.
Me: The power of the wireless in these phones is next to nothing? To be honest I think it is more a placebo effect.
Customer: No! You see, I am allergic to WiFi too. Every time I am around a WiFi access point I get very ill.
Me: So, are you feeling ill right now?
Customer: Well no, there is no wireless in here.
Me: Look above you. There is an enterprise grade wireless access point that outputs far more power than your general home wireless access point and you've been standing here for a good 10 minutes and claim you're not sick nor this isn't a pure placebo effect. There is also a micro cell site in the back room covering a good part of the mall.
Customer: Nevermind, I am feeling really sick now. I need to get out of here. It must be all the wireless around me.

 

Worse, the customer got pretty pale when I pointed to the Cisco wireless access point in the store and the fact she was bombarded with glorious RF radiation. It made my day. Never saw the customer in that mall again.





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  #1561054 28-May-2016 01:42
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Genuine scientific research and people who believe they are affected by WiFi are two very different things.

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  #1561055 28-May-2016 02:00
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gzt: Genuine scientific research and people who believe they are affected by WiFi are two very different things.

 

I'll be dead by now if the above was indeed true. Heard it so many times... Sure there is a chance however the power output on mobile devices is far to low to have any concern. Heard it all too many times...





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  #1561056 28-May-2016 02:19
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michaelmurfy:

gzt: Genuine scientific research and people who believe they are affected by WiFi are two very different things.


I'll be dead by now if the above was indeed true. Heard it so many times... Sure there is a chance however the power output on mobile devices is far to low to have any concern. Heard it all too many times...


This is also the kind of thing people used to say about smoking ; ).

But I do agree.

These devices are everywhere an enormous amount of research has been done and very little of substance has arisen to raise concerns. If there are any effects they are likely to be very small.

This particular study the effects look very large! around 3% or so.

That will naturally raise a lot of questions about the scientific validity of the study.

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