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#2086265 8-Sep-2018 20:30

"P100D Tesla TROLLS Muscle Cars!"

10 minute video at USA southern drag strip

Some unhappy good old boys, in particular since Tesla is using stock tires, no suspension upgrades versus massive suspension upgrades and drag slicks

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#2086268 8-Sep-2018 20:44

afe66: What's this New Zealand EV incentive you talk of ?
It was in Auckland wasn't it?

I seriously doubt _anyone_ would have bought an event for the benefit of driving in those lanes...

If they extended it to onewa road I would have been out there getting the cheapest piece of crap that qualified in order to use that lane in the morning.

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#2086691 10-Sep-2018 09:26

afe66: What's this New Zealand EV incentive you talk of ?
It was in Auckland wasn't it?
I seriously doubt _anyone_ would have bought an event for the benefit of driving in those lanes...

And that was pretty much the intent to the letter I received from Transit NZ. The special lanes wasn't causing anyone to buy EV's so there was no point having special lanes.

It shows a lack in of insight and understanding. Many small benefits add up. Because one small benefit doesn't convert all Kiwi's to EV doesn't mean that small benefit is useless.

Next it will be that the RUC and rego exemptions aren't causing everyone and their dog to buy EV so they'll scrap that too.

It's the same attitude that says one plastic bag in the ocean makes no difference.

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#2086708 10-Sep-2018 09:42

wellygary:
Clawhammer: the prospect for finding an extra 700 megawatts base load over the next 5-8 years will cause nightmares.
How about over the next 20 or 30 years ? because realistically thats the earliest the NZ light fleet will become fully electric...

The prospect of improving the electricity grid in any meaningful way in any time frame will be a nightmare. This country is full of very short sighted, anti-progressive, NIMBY, luddites all mascaraing as environmentalists. The privatisation of the power system has almost ensured this. The impending sale of Transpower will guarantee it as the government is the only organisation that can overcome selfish obstructionism.

We need to call out pseudo-environmentalists as the hypocrites that they are when they espouse their ignorance and lies.

The upside is that the Chinese will sort is out after they take over the country - stand in the way of improving the nation and it's boot up the butt for you.

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#2086710 10-Sep-2018 09:48

tripper1000:

The impending sale of Transpower will guarantee it as the government is the only organisation that can overcome selfish obstructionism.

I don't know what "news" sites you have been frequenting, but the chances of Transpower being sold in the next 3 years is 0......

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#2086728 10-Sep-2018 10:36

Perhaps Winston put me crook. Googling it, there is smoke but not yet fire on that one:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11895459

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#2086733 10-Sep-2018 10:42

tripper1000:

Perhaps Winston put me crook. Googling it, there is smoke but not yet fire on that one:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11895459

Last time I looked neither John Key, Nor Steven Joyce were not even MPs let along anywhere near being Minsters any more :)

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#2086762 10-Sep-2018 11:14

Well, Gary, yes, that was dredged from my mental archive (which as now been updated via link article), but I trust neither party when it comes to the sale of SOE's.

The original point still stands with regard to the generators. Genesis etc are blocked at every step of the way when trying to build clean green, penguin and whale saving hydro, wind etc and IMO it is something EV owners need to be mindful of and motivated about in their conversations with friends and dealings with the government. I doubt you will see much progressive or timely construction of generation in NZ until the lights start going out. Planning is something kiwi's are weak at, and we've gotten worse over the last 2 generations.

The present electricity model is flawed and has already (spectacularly) failed in California. Distribution in California was the single most vulnerable and manipulate-able area, which is why (I hope) they never sell Transpower.

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#2086833 10-Sep-2018 12:22

Given the somewhat fickle nature of renewable generation, there needs to be bit of spare capacity in the system. But ... the market discourages spare capacity, because that would decrease the wholesale price and this reduces the case for investment. The uncertainties of the RMA are a further disincentive to investment.

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#2086834 10-Sep-2018 12:26

gzt:

The point of the exercise is co2 reduction so replace vehicles doing near the max daily range first.

Best bang for buck is to replace old vehicles - more of them and less efficient (tech, maintenance, age). Unfortunately those are owned by lower income households, who can't yet afford EV technology.

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#2086837 10-Sep-2018 12:31

Trump policy causes comelco smelter to be uneconomic and closes.

Suddenly Manapouri power station is unused, 850MW capacity.

EV power supply concerns disappear...

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#2087161 10-Sep-2018 20:54

The EV Revolution Addendum: Busting EV Myths
Answers With Joe

Myth 1: "Electric vehicles are dirtier than petrol cars because the energy they use is made from coal"

Myth 2: "Making an electric car is more polluting than a patrol car because it takes more resources and more energy to make the battery packs"

Myth 3: "The battery packs will need to be replaced in 5 to 8 years, and it costs 8 to 10 thousand dollars"

Myth 4: "Electric vehicles aren't safe because Lithium Ion batteries can catch fire in a crash"

Myth 5: "If everyone had electric vehicles it would overwhelm the grid"

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#2087162 10-Sep-2018 20:57

W.R.T. renewables, it stands to reason that the easy and most economical renewable resources are the ones that have been developed first which means that any new ones will be harder/more expensive/less economical, prospects which don't seem to bother some partners in our current government.

It seems that those who answer "Increased Renewables" to any and every question about electricity supply seem to lack a realistic understanding of how an electricity supply system works.

Using EV batteries for storage to assist peak lopping is practical, but only when they are connected to the system. Far from generating any electricity they consume it in the losses associated with their chargers to charge their batteries and inverters to feed it back into the system. Generally the smaller the capacity, the less efficient they are.

Personally I believe that the only realistic answer to our upcoming supply difficulties is to have some of that new clear electric.

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#2087163 10-Sep-2018 21:00

Im not sure whats going on with vectors network here in beach haven, but most days there seems to be people posting about an outage or low voltage on the facebook page recently. That needs to be fixed before everyone is trying to charge their car up at home, its not just a tranzpower distribution issue but right into the local areas.

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#2087268 11-Sep-2018 08:14

Clawhammer:

Personally I believe that the only realistic answer to our upcoming supply difficulties is to have some of that new clear electric.

I think NZ will manage without it, but only because we lack any significant industry. Our sole smelter uses something like 15% of the national electrical output on its own. If and when that becomes too uneconomic to survive, that's the EV grid capacity problem solved overnight.

But for countries with significant heavy industry, I think you're absolutely right. New reactors, with new, passive-safe designs.

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