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#2117576 31-Oct-2018 20:48

Interesting interview podcast on a16z.com about bike sharing.

There’s a new wave of bike-sharing in town. And this wave looks a little different than previous waves — from docked rows of government-funded bikes to dockless fleets of bicycles where users can find and unlock bikes through GPS from anywhere, with an app. But what can we learn from previous (both unsuccessful and successful) waves, what are the challenges in making bike sharing a real, viable transport option? What does bike sharing data reveal about human travel patterns? And how might dockless bike-sharing change, maybe even reshape, cities of the future?
This episode of the a16z Podcast — including city of Dallas councilmember Lee Kleinman, chairman of their Mobility Solutions, Infrastructure, and Sustainability Committee; Joshua Schank, CIO at the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority; and Andrew Savage, vice president of strategic development at LimeBike; in conversation with a16z’s Hanne Tidnam — looks at the trend of dockless bike sharing in cities.

I sure hope NZTA listened to this and sought out cities impacted by this before they granted a license here.

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#2126810 14-Nov-2018 20:47

Story in the London Times today:

"Parents have been warned by police not to buy electric scooters as Christmas presents after a 15-year-old boy had points imposed on his future driving licence for using one at high speeds.

The scooters are illegal on roads and pavements. The boy, who was caught riding in a public place on a stand-up scooter with a powerful electric motor, appeared at Teesside youth court, which imposed six points on his licence as a deterrent."

Note - in New Zealand terms, six points equals fifty points.

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#2126817 14-Nov-2018 21:05

And I see that AC is looking at reducing the maximum allowable speed of the scooters on the footpath to 10kmh -

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108582959/auckland-council-wants-to-reduce-lime-speed-limit-to-10kmh

Man, my purchase of a Mi scooter as an alternative method to getting to work may not be such a good idea! Though not in Akld, my trip would be way slower if I'm limited to 10kmh. I guess the other option is riding on the road itself, which is apparently ok.

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#2126819 14-Nov-2018 21:07

Geektastic: Story in the London Times today:

"Parents have been warned by police not to buy electric scooters as Christmas presents after a 15-year-old boy had points imposed on his future driving licence for using one at high speeds.

The scooters are illegal on roads and pavements. The boy, who was caught riding in a public place on a stand-up scooter with a powerful electric motor, appeared at Teesside youth court, which imposed six points on his licence as a deterrent."

Note - in New Zealand terms, six points equals fifty points.

This is interesting but not relevant here. The laws in the UK are different and e scooters are not legal on public roads or footpaths, this is not the case in NZ.

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#2126828 14-Nov-2018 21:16

smcc:
Geektastic: Story in the London Times today:

"Parents have been warned by police not to buy electric scooters as Christmas presents after a 15-year-old boy had points imposed on his future driving licence for using one at high speeds.

The scooters are illegal on roads and pavements. The boy, who was caught riding in a public place on a stand-up scooter with a powerful electric motor, appeared at Teesside youth court, which imposed six points on his licence as a deterrent."

Note - in New Zealand terms, six points equals fifty points.

This is interesting but not relevant here. The laws in the UK are different and e scooters are not legal on public roads or footpaths, this is not the case in NZ.

Yet.

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#2126834 14-Nov-2018 21:31

We landed in Christchurch for the recent Geekzone Pizza - Michael, Scott, Nate, Steve, Stuart and myself... Scott and myself decided to take a Lime all the way from the airport to the city CBD. We had $10 vouchers so my trip ended up being $1.84. My Lime was about 800 metres from the airport and Scott was aiming for one nearby. We left a closer one behind because the range wasn't enough. By the time we got to the scooters, Scott's one was taken so he walked back and took the one with lower range.

My scooter lasted all the way to the city, but Scott had to change three times due to low battery. At the end it wasn't a bad ride - about 50 minutes to cover almost 9kms. It could've been quicker if his original scooter lasted all the way.

At night the moderators decided to race. It is an interesting video...

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#2126840 14-Nov-2018 21:53

jonathan18:

And I see that AC is looking at reducing the maximum allowable speed of the scooters on the footpath to 10kmh -

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108582959/auckland-council-wants-to-reduce-lime-speed-limit-to-10kmh

Man, my purchase of a Mi scooter as an alternative method to getting to work may not be such a good idea! Though not in Akld, my trip would be way slower if I'm limited to 10kmh. I guess the other option is riding on the road itself, which is apparently ok.

They would never police the 10kmh limit anyway.

There are constant streams of idiots driving around Auckland fiddling/talking on their phones and that is dangerous and illegal - I dont see anyone stopping them.

We are great at making laws and regulations then never policing them.

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#2126844 14-Nov-2018 22:07

very hard to firgure out 10km/h for the average user, so would spend all their time looking at the speedo meaning more accidents with people watching the speedo instead of where they are riding.

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#2126886 14-Nov-2018 23:10

Pretty sure these will be banned or severely restricted within a year....just wait for the first fatality and then that will be it.

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#2126887 14-Nov-2018 23:26

Geektastic:

Pretty sure these will be banned or severely restricted within a year....just wait for the first fatality and then that will be it.

Lets just change the law and wrap ourselves in bubble wrap...just to incase.

Far more people die on the roads, or crossing the roads, or on bikes, but we are not banning those?

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#2126888 14-Nov-2018 23:46

Geektastic:

Pretty sure these will be banned or severely restricted within a year....just wait for the first fatality and then that will be it.

If only they would apply that logic to bikes....

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#2126889 14-Nov-2018 23:57

And cars

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#2126890 15-Nov-2018 00:16

Would be a shame to see something like this banned for a few moaners or irresponsible operators. Rather have a people using these than Ubers or their own cars in an already congested Central City.

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#2126891 15-Nov-2018 00:37

NzBeagle: Would be a shame to see something like this banned for a few moaners or irresponsible operators. Rather have a people using these than Ubers or their own cars in an already congested Central City.

You could say the same for things like lasers, or drones(not banned or severely restricted yet). It is a few idiots who ruin it for everyone.Amazing that fireworks haven't yet been banned TBH. But public fireworks displays don't seem as popular these days, any our usual local one didn't go ahead this year.

With scooters, I think that a better move could be to make them speed restricted when on footpaths, but if used on roads, allow them to go at any speed. They are a powered vehicle afterall. Also maybe have one of those flags (like bikes used to have), and perhaps fluro gear for visibility. We have all these health and safety laws for workplaces, and millions of cones scatterd around the country etc, so we are already a cotton wool country.

If they were fueled by a petrol engine instead of electric powered, I wonder if people would view them differently?

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#2126959 15-Nov-2018 09:08

Drones are already restricted more than they were when the fad began. Of course, outwith the potential aircraft crash scenario, they don't pose much of a threat to life.

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