Why is driver training being ignored? Aw

Forums › Transport (cars, bikes and boats) › Why is driver training being ignored? Aw

1 | ... | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157651 10-Jan-2019 15:38

Plus

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/

My bike is s GSX650F 656cc

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

Geektastic

17943 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157773 10-Jan-2019 21:26

Coil:
Geektastic:

@MikeB4 - that is why I suggested some form of compulsory insurance, because it would act to prevent new drivers from jumping in powerful cars that cost more to insure than they could afford.

All the guys I know who have fast cars are from rich backgrounds, they have the least amount of respect for their cars and other road users. Expensive insurance won't change a thing, apart from the kids disrespecting their parents banks more.

I guess if parents are willing to pay out $15,000 a year or whatever so their child can drive a flash motor then fine but that's a tiny minority.

frankv

5680 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2157862 11-Jan-2019 06:52

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

Coil

6614 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#2157865 11-Jan-2019 07:15

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

What else does FU stand for haha, Also its 33KW not HP! 33KW is right on the 150KW/T

Cheers

mudguard

2119 posts

Uber Geek

#2157867 11-Jan-2019 07:18

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

Farking Underpowered?

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157870 11-Jan-2019 07:32

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

Don't know. I thought "FU" was apt! Its not cheap to derestrict, so that's truly bizarre

The F is a nice wee bike. Its essentially an R with steel not titanium pistons and a street friendly cam, and its actually quicker than an R at lower street speeds

Coil

6614 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#2157872 11-Jan-2019 07:35

tdgeek:

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

Don't know. I thought "FU" was apt! Its not cheap to derestrict, so that's truly bizarre

The F is a nice wee bike. Its essentially an R with steel not titanium pistons and a street friendly cam, and its actually quicker than an R at lower street speeds

@Linux had one or he had the GSX650F for a few weeks or months. He also had a K8 but my favorite was the GSXR750.

Sharesies

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157873 11-Jan-2019 07:40

Coil:

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

What else does FU stand for haha, Also its 33KW not HP! 33KW is right on the 150KW/T

Cheers

I always thought it was 33hp. I see one guy annecdotally felt it was around 40-45hp, whuch matches what you say, and

"The ninja (650) is euro spec restriction, ie. 33hp, versus the GSX650F (LAMS version) which is about 50hp, on par with 150kw/tonne.

Kawasaki has made a big mistake by only providing us with a 33hp version.."

I stand corrected, thanks.

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157874 11-Jan-2019 07:45

Coil:

tdgeek:

frankv:

tdgeek:

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

What does the FU stand for? Surprised it isn't it isn't SFA.

Don't know. I thought "FU" was apt! Its not cheap to derestrict, so that's truly bizarre

The F is a nice wee bike. Its essentially an R with steel not titanium pistons and a street friendly cam, and its actually quicker than an R at lower street speeds

@Linux had one or he had the GSX650F for a few weeks or months. He also had a K8 but my favorite was the GSXR750.

I'm sure he had a red 1000R, I recall when he bought it new

I took a GSX1000S for a spin last year while mine was being serviced. Smaller, much less fairing. I didn't feel it was that much quicker, but what I hated was the sensitivity of the throttle, something that Google showed was a common problem. I recall it was full or part electronic, and not easily resolved, oddly enough.

Linux

11428 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157876 11-Jan-2019 07:58

tdgeek:

Plus

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/

My bike is s GSX650F 656cc

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

@tdgeek The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157877 11-Jan-2019 08:04

Linux:

tdgeek:

Plus

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/

My bike is s GSX650F 656cc

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

@tdgeek The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

Thanks John, understood, I thought they were reduced to 33hp which apparently is a Euro thing.

NzBeagle

962 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#2157878 11-Jan-2019 08:05

Linux:

The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

And this is why I think it was wise for the change in law. Jumping from a 250cc (low hp) to anything you liked once you get your full, can be dangerous.

Also, I don't see how this process couldn't be applied to car licenses, although, like bike licenses, there would be many who just ignore and ride/drive what they want.

Geektastic

17943 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157880 11-Jan-2019 08:11

tdgeek:
Linux:

tdgeek:

Plus

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/

My bike is s GSX650F 656cc

The GSX650FU is LAMS approved, same bike, same 92bhp 656cc 4 InLine, BUT its reduced toi 33bhp output, so its like a 250

@tdgeek The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

Thanks John, understood, I thought they were reduced to 33hp which apparently is a Euro thing.

It relates to this, I suspect:

"If a rider passes their motorcycle test (A1) at 17 years old they are restricted to a 125cc motorcycle producing no more than 11kW (14.8bhp) for two years.

At 19 years of age a rider who has been riding on a full A1 licence for two years can take a further practical test on a motorcycle of at least 395cc producing between 25kW (33.5bhp) and 35kW (46.9bhp). On passing this test, the rider can ride a motorcycle in category A2.

Two years after passing the A2 test a rider (21 years and over) can take a further test on a motorcycle of at least 495cc and producing at least 40kW (53.6bhp). Following successful completion of this test the rider can ride a motorcycle of any capacity."

Edit: that's the UK rule which is in accordance with EU rules.

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2157883 11-Jan-2019 08:16

NzBeagle:

Linux:

The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

And this is why I think it was wise for the change in law. Jumping from a 250cc (low hp) to anything you liked once you get your full, can be dangerous.

Also, I don't see how this process couldn't be applied to car licenses, although, like bike licenses, there would be many who just ignore and ride/drive what they want.

Hard to say. Is a 650 more dangerous than a 250? You would think so. I had bikes when I was a teen. Got back into it in 2011, got a Ninja 250. Too slow, traded at 2200km to a 650. The 250 was a nightmare in strong crosswinds, the 650 ploughs through it, that's a biggie. Doesnt take long to get used to the size.

As to cars, a 1600cc is slow, but another can be quick, plus power to weight. Hard to see it being setup to be accurate for safety. Have compulsory safety training, as while you will never stop idiots, everyone will at least have knowledge of how to handle a car that's about to go out of control, or has

Coil

6614 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#2157884 11-Jan-2019 08:19

tdgeek:

NzBeagle:

Linux:

The GSX650FU rides nothing like a 250cc bike, I was riding a FU only the matter of weeks ago

John

And this is why I think it was wise for the change in law. Jumping from a 250cc (low hp) to anything you liked once you get your full, can be dangerous.

Also, I don't see how this process couldn't be applied to car licenses, although, like bike licenses, there would be many who just ignore and ride/drive what they want.

Hard to say. Is a 650 more dangerous than a 250? You would think so. I had bikes when I was a teen. Got back into it in 2011, got a Ninja 250. Too slow, traded at 2200km to a 650. The 250 was a nightmare in strong crosswinds, the 650 ploughs through it, that's a biggie. Doesnt take long to get used to the size.

I found this to be very true, I had a CBR250R then went to a DRZ400SM, both quite light bikes and I got thrown around a lot.
I rode Johns 650 when he had it and it felt a lot more planted and the torque was a godsend.

1 | ... | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13