Auckland Transport: Hop & Snapper. Whats the real issue

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#680100 1-Sep-2012 14:55

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mjb:

I don't for a second claim to be an expert on this, but I was quite surprised to be told recently that rail is significantly less efficient and green than road for freight movements.

I have no evidence to back that up sorry.. just an alternative point of view.

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I remember seeing that in the NZ Herald a couple of months ago. I think it came from the Road Transport Forum..

So what you're saying is that it might not be an all that objective statement then?

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#680184 1-Sep-2012 19:12

Kyanar:
old3eyes:
mjb:

I don't for a second claim to be an expert on this, but I was quite surprised to be told recently that rail is significantly less efficient and green than road for freight movements.

I have no evidence to back that up sorry.. just an alternative point of view.

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I remember seeing that in the NZ Herald a couple of months ago. I think it came from the Road Transport Forum..

So what you're saying is that it might not be an all that objective statement then?

Could be..

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#680491 2-Sep-2012 18:47

Coming back to real time processing and card balances.

In Chc you have to initially initially 'buy' the card, and then add some cash to it to have a balance. However, the'purchase cost' appears to be available on the card as a type of overdraft buffer, for those times when a fare may exceed the real balance.

If I've understood this correctly then that also means your 'buffer' would cover travel during any transaction processing delays. Of course like any cash advance or IOU system it would mean that when you make a payment you top the buffer up first, and only the remainder would show as a credit balance on the card.

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#680504 2-Sep-2012 19:10

Snapper works in a similar way. Providing you have enough funds to deduct the tag on fee your card balance can drop below $0

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#681028 3-Sep-2012 21:10

sbiddle: Snapper works in a similar way. Providing you have enough funds to deduct the tag on fee your card balance can drop below $0

No other way it could work really as they don't know how far you want to go.

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#691050 25-Sep-2012 12:00

Press release just received:

MOBILE WALLET TRIAL START OF SOMETHING BIG

The days of New Zealanders having to lug around an overstuffed leather wallet may soon be over with Auckland Transport, Telecom and Westpac today revealing details of their "mobile wallet" trial.

The trial, announced earlier this year, is in collaboration with Gemalto, Thales and Paymark. The six organisations have worked together to develop a virtual mobile wallet that can hold multiple cards - including a credit card and transport card.

The three partners say that the "proof of concept", revealed at the Thales test laboratory in central Auckland today, is further evidence that mobile wallet technology will soon be a reality in New Zealand.

They emphasised today's demonstration is simply the first stage of a much bigger vision, which will see mobile payments and other mobile wallet services rolled out nationally, involving multiple vendors and service providers.

Speaking about the progress they have made in the trial, Telecom's Chief Product Officer Rod Snodgrass said "Telecom built the Smartphone Network with smartphones in mind, as people are doing more than ever on these devices. This trial takes the use of mobile payment technology to a whole new level. We are all accustomed to storing our address books and diaries in our phones. Well, now we can store our wallet there as well. This is not simply another application - it truly is a 'mobile wallet', which will hold multiple cards and secure applications, providing a fast, convenient and safe way to purchase goods and services."

Westpac Chief Information Officer Peter Fletcher, said "over the next 3-5 years, mobiles will become our customers' key banking tool for transactions, product research and other banking needs. Westpac is committed to delivering a market leading mobile proposition and the mobile wallet trial is an important step as we help Kiwis move towards a mobile banking future."

Auckland Transport Chief Operations Officer, Greg Edmonds, said "mobile phone technology will form an important part of the mix of payment options for transport services in the future. We look forward to the introduction of this technology providing further choice for commuters in the way they pay for transport."

The next phase of the trial will see 30 plus participants test the new mobile wallet technology at contactless Point of Sale terminals, across Auckland Transport's network and top up their Telecom Mobile Accounts on their mobile. The technology is expected to be available near the end of 2013.

Learnings from this next trial phase are expected to enable the collaboration partners to further build on the proof of concept and develop an even wider and more valuable mobile wallet proposition for consumers.

This mobile wallet trial is another step towards a full rollout of NFC technology within New Zealand. It comes off the back of Paymark, Telecom New Zealand, 2Degrees and Vodafone New Zealand's announcement in April 2012 of their intention to form a Trusted Services Manager (TSM), which will establish a robust, open ecosystem for NFC-enabled New Zealand.

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#691173 25-Sep-2012 14:31

Interesting. Wonder what will come of it

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#691182 25-Sep-2012 14:56

ajobbins: Interesting. Wonder what will come of it

Probably nothing. "Trialling" something means very little.

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#691186 25-Sep-2012 15:11

sbiddle:
ajobbins: Interesting. Wonder what will come of it

Probably nothing. "Trialling" something means very little.

Or worse. All of the parties involved will release their own concepts of what they believe is required...

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#691215 25-Sep-2012 15:49

ajobbins: Interesting. Wonder what will come of it

It will be great,

massively popular with all the iphone users

almost as good as apple maps

:tongue firmly in cheek:

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#691221 25-Sep-2012 16:03

Theres a lot of spin in the press release and nothing that really says it's part of the actual solution for Auckland Transport ('technology-being-available' by the end of 2013).

Maybe they feel enough time has passed since they canned a working Snapper solution (that could easily have been touted as a trail), so now we'll buy into the 'lookie here we're reinventing the wheel' PR.

I'm with those of you that see this as a concept trial for Telecom, Westpac and Thales. What it actually leads to has yet to be defined. Keep digging in your pocket Auckland ratepayers.

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#691229 25-Sep-2012 16:21

I'm still waiting for Snapper to reenter the Auckland market - once AT finally deliver critical components and deploy a working system there isn't really any technical reason why a Snapper card can't be compatible.

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#701919 16-Oct-2012 10:05

Big ROFL or what?

Hop users get free rail, ferry cards.

Also notice how NZ Herald actually doesn't explain the problem they're solving with this action at all, only making some mention to system integration - which doesn't seem related by the badly written article.

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#701927 16-Oct-2012 10:17

sbiddle: I'm still waiting for Snapper to reenter the Auckland market - once AT finally deliver critical components and deploy a working system there isn't really any technical reason why a Snapper card can't be compatible.

Apart from the fact that Snapper don't own or host the system - they wholesale the system from the actual manufacturer in Korea, so they'd need to be on-board as well. Not saying they wouldn't, just that without them being involved Snapper doesn't really have much of a chance of making it work.

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#816492 13-May-2013 08:22

Blah, blah, Hop cards coming for buses:

...in the second half of this year despite limited extra funds being voted by councillors.

They will ultimately replace Snapper Hop cards which have been operating since 2011 on NZ Bus services.

Mayor Len Brown said that in recommending the extra $2 million he remained confident the rollout on buses would be completed in time.

The task was to provide "seamless" transport connections between various services and modes when the new electric trains started running in the second quarter of next year.

The Hop system has so far cost $98 million in public funds - including $56 million from the Government's Transport Agency and the rest from ratepayers - meaning the extra money will push the bill to $100 million.

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