Back to taking public transport (the train) to work

nzkiwiman:

 

I agree with others that petrol prices will naturally now "just go up" and they can blame the bombing for that - even though the petrol is already in the country/the petrol stations and so should not be increased.

 

Since NPD arrived in Dunedin, petrol prices have been all over the show; like the person from Christchurch mentioned, the national price that we used to follow (with a handful of exceptions) now seems to be a thing of the past; I drive past a Z and BP everyday, Z has often increased prices in the morning and then decreased them again at night - it is almost like we are now following Australia's model for pricing.

 

and to add to this they play around with the level of discount depending on the price set. So it looks like you get a great discount but they jacked up the price.  

nzkiwiman:

 

I drive past a Z and BP everyday, Z has often increased prices in the morning and then decreased them again at night - it is almost like we are now following Australia's model for pricing.

 

Twas I.

And yep, thought had crossed my mind. However they have actual spikes. Where it then drops off. Not multiple adjustments a day still. The (Z) stations I mentioned that were all 2.28 last week before the 10c day, were sitting at about 2.20/2.22 this morning. 8c variance over a few days only to now be heading north again cause a percentage of our sourced product has been impacted (it's not the only source, but should follow market shifts like everyone else rather than being a scapegoat reason).

And a quick check, in the last 2hrs 3 Zs have gone straight to 2.30

kingdragonfly: Besides a lot of talk of a "broken market", I don't expect Commerce Commission, Energy Minister Megan Wood or PM Jacinda Ardern to actually do anything.

kingdragonfly: Perhaps instead of waiting for the proposed EV "freebate" to kick in end of 2021, perhaps I'll look into the already subsidized UK and Japan EV's

The Nissan Note e-Power Hybrid sounded promising until I realized there's no plug-in charging.

If you commute less than 70km a day then even the oldest, crustiest Nissan LEAF will be good enough for 90% of your driving...and cost about $10k or less. Use your petrol car for longer trips or busier days. You'll save a huge amount of your usual petrol spend.....and lower your emissions by 90%, too. The old LEAF would pay for itself in 2-3 years. Plus you'll notice how little servicing they need (and save you more).

I feel for folks that have to pay for petrol and have no alternatives. I am thankful that all our petrol costs are paid for us.

Gull aren't being sheep

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12268293

But the article is out of date already. Watching gaspy in CHC change per station by varied amounts each hour.

New Zealand's other major petrol retailers have also not lifted prices at this stage.

 

Yesterday, Z Energy chief executive Mike Bennetts said he was monitoring the situation and that the impact of the attacks would likely only be felt in the short term.

 

"Oil in storage is quite high at the moment, so if this was to go on for a week or so it could be easily managed," he told Mike Hosking Breakfast on Newstalk ZB.

 

Oblivian:

And a quick check, in the last 2hrs 3 Zs have gone straight to 2.30

empacher48:

Yes, but it is Tuesday and Wednesday is also Z’s 10c a litre off day. My local Z always puts it price up on Tuesday before they have their 10c discount day. The 10c discount just takes it back to their undiscounted price it was on Monday.

In other news, if you are lucky to have a local Gull, they have said prices will remain until the weekend.

Beginning to think some are regional. As we had all of them (even caltex before it was pumped) radio advertising on the same day but wasn't with the northerners. And Yep, Wed is the go-to day down here too. For like the last month. But this week is obviously someone elses turn. (or we can expect it tomorrow and todays raise is not related to the Saudi issue)

The sooner EVs take over in NZ the better. With around 90% of our power generation being generated by our own resources, having an EV fleet means our vehicles can be powered independently of other countries. Drama happening in the middle east would no longer mean our wallets have to feel it at the pump or even worse, create shortages. The less reliant we are on importing our energy the better.

Yes, power prices fluctuate too, but one can choose to be independent of the power companies if they wish by installing solar, a wind generator or if you have a stream on your property you could even put in your own hydro generator. You can't easily make your own petrol at home...

Linuxluver:

kingdragonfly: Perhaps instead of waiting for the proposed EV "freebate" to kick in end of 2021, perhaps I'll look into the already subsidized UK and Japan EV's

The Nissan Note e-Power Hybrid sounded promising until I realized there's no plug-in charging.

 

If you commute less than 70km a day then even the oldest, crustiest Nissan LEAF will be good enough for 90% of your driving...and cost about $10k or less. Use your petrol car for longer trips or busier days. You'll save a huge amount of your usual petrol spend.....and lower your emissions by 90%, too. The old LEAF would pay for itself in 2-3 years. Plus you'll notice how little servicing they need (and save you more).

Linuxluver:

 

NZ governments know if they make a peep about pricing the oil companies raise the price and the media blames the government (unless it's National).

 

I read it completely differently. When oil companies perceive an expectation/acceptance that petrol prices will rise, they leap in boots and all. So when the 4c (+10c Auckland) tax increase happened, with an expected price rise, the oil companies hiked their prices by the same again.

These attacks always seem to happen at the beginning of a season of higher demand in the northern hemisphere.

 

To be fair, if I was an oil terrorist, for maximum effect I'd make my attack at the time of maximum demand. Like Cook Strait ferry strikes during school holidays.

Obraik:

 

The sooner EVs take over in NZ the better. With around 90% of our power generation being generated by our own resources, having an EV fleet means our vehicles can be powered independently of other countries. Drama happening in the middle east would no longer mean our wallets have to feel it at the pump or even worse, create shortages. The less reliant we are on importing our energy the better.

 

Yes, power prices fluctuate too, but one can choose to be independent of the power companies if they wish by installing solar, a wind generator or if you have a stream on your property you could even put in your own hydro generator. You can't easily make your own petrol at home...

 

Yes, I agree but EV's taking over is a minimum 20 years. Solar is not worth it, its too costly to buy, as are Powerwall batteries that go up in price not down, 15k to 18k this year. I would LOVE solar but its not worth it by a long way for most. Solar to help an EV is worse, unless you drive at night in the Summer and its at home during the day. Winter forget it. Id like to see two wind tunnels,l through house roof, for both prevailing winds. Low generation but we are a windy country

And the race to the top begins (or has been realised is happening despite their earlier article)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268389 

BP hikes petrol prices by 6c/litre

 Also shows how little they cross check re-edits - what's at the bottom?

BP spokesman Gordon Gillan wouldn't speculate on how much prices would rise but did confirm that an increase could happen within the next day or two.