My three friends that had already ordered hybrids and are getting a free $5625 each, won't agree...

To be fair we are behind the growth curve from 2019 because we suggested a rebate and didnt deliver it. That stifled change as people put purchases on hold.

RobDickinson:

To be fair we are behind the growth curve from 2019 because we suggested a rebate and didnt deliver it. That stifled change as people put purchases on hold.

tdgeek:

 

My three friends that had already ordered hybrids and are getting a free $5625 each, won't agree...

 

You only have three friends? (kidding)

As long as the money doesn’t run out before the vehicles arrive. Unless it is into next year when the fees start being collected.

As I have stated multiple times in this thread my main ‘ideological’ problem is not with the scheme, but that it caps the value of the qualifying vehicle. An EV is an EV (with its inherent benefits) whether it costs $20k or $2m. And the gst on anything over $80k more than covers the rebate without even dipping into the fees collected.

Technofreak:

RobDickinson:

 

To be fair we are behind the growth curve from 2019 because we suggested a rebate and didnt deliver it. That stifled change as people put purchases on hold.

 

If there had never been a suggestion about a rebate there would have never been a slow up in EV sales. As it is now it is largely a transfer of money from the the taxpayers of New Zealand to Japan.

Ideology over common sense.

Except as you can see on the previous page, most of the EVs sold with the rebate were new vehicles. As you're also probably aware, Japanese companies famously are dragging their feet when it comes to EVs.

The point is to reduce transport emissions, not put money in the hands of New Zealanders. We don't make cars.

tdgeek:

My three friends that had already ordered hybrids and are getting a free $5625 each, won't agree...

Obraik:

 

The point is to reduce transport emissions, not put money in the hands of New Zealanders. We don't make cars.

 

The scheme will actually save NZ money overall (its right there in the draft legislation). 

Obraik:

 

Except as you can see on the previous page, most of the EVs sold with the rebate were new vehicles. As you're also probably aware, Japanese companies famously are dragging their feet when it comes to EVs.

 

The point is to reduce transport emissions, not put money in the hands of New Zealanders. We don't make cars.

 

Correct the point was to reduce emisions. The idea being by reducing the prices of the EV's to encourage more purchases of EV's. Has the Clean Car Package really don't it's job of increasing EV sales?

On the face of it, yes it has, as EV sales have increased. Time will tell if this was a blip caused by prospective purchasers holding back waiting for the rebate to be implemented and also due to increased awareness of EV's due to the publicity surrounding the feebate. On the flip side see how the sales of Ute's have spiked as well due to the implementation of the feebate. Bit of a quid pro quo if you ask me.

The prices of new EV's may have dropped the prices of the second hand imports have risen.

I would argue that those that could afford a new EV wouldn't be put off from buying one if there was no rebate. On the other hand the EV purchasers that are more price sensitive are much more likely to be buying second hand Japanese imports and these cars have gone up in price. Has the feebate made a worthwhile reduction in EV prices? I'm not sure there's strong evidence of that happening.

In my opinion the feebate will have no or very little long term impact on the uptake of EV's and it's cost isn't justified.

RobDickinson:

 

The scheme will actually save NZ money overall (its right there in the draft legislation). 

 

Actually, or potentially?

You can put provision for unicorns and fairy dust in draft legislation, doesn’t mean you’ll get it. As Obraik pointed out, the benefit is in the emissions reduction, a side benefit being reduced energy dependence on overseas sources.

Dingbatt:

 

RobDickinson:

 

The scheme will actually save NZ money overall (its right there in the draft legislation). 

 

 

Actually, or potentially?

 

You can put provision for unicorns and fairy dust in draft legislation, doesn’t mean you’ll get it. As Obraik pointed out, the benefit is in the emissions reduction, a side benefit being reduced energy dependence on overseas sources.

 

Technofreak:

 

Correct the point was to reduce emisions. The idea being by reducing the prices of the EV's to encourage more purchases of EV's. Has the Clean Car Package really don't it's job of increasing EV sales.

 

On the face of it yes it has as EV sales have increased. Time will tell if this was a blip caused by prospective purchasers holding back waiting for the rebate to be implemented and also to increased awareness of EV's due to the puclicity surrounded the feebate. On the flip side see how the sales of Ute's have spiked as well due to the implementation of the feebate. Bit of a quid pro quo if you ask me.

 

The prices of new EV's may have dropped the prices of the second hand imports have risen.

 

I would argue that those that could afford a new EV wouldn't be put off from buying one if there was no rebate. On the other hand the EV purchasers that are more price sensitive are much more likely to be buying second hand Japanese imports and these cars have gone up in price. Has the feebate made a worthwhile reduction in EV prices? I'm not sure there's strong evidence of that happening.

 

In my opinion the feebate will have no or very little long term impact on the uptake of EV's and it's cost isn't justified.

 

Ute sales spiking isn't a big concern. Infact, it may even have helped emissions too depending on what they were upgrading from as newer vehicles generally have better emissions than older ones.

New Zealand isn't the first to add a subsidy for EVs, infact we're one of the last developed countries to do so. As such, there is plenty of visible evidence from other countries that have had similar schemes running for years now that show the positive effect in EV uptake from adding a subsidy. You may very well have an opinion that it will have little long term impact, but actual evidence suggests otherwise.

Batman: Otoh, I am looking at EVs because of the cash back. Only worry is money runs out when it arrives...

Obraik:

 

Ute sales spiking isn't a big concern. Infact, it may even have helped emissions too depending on what they were upgrading from as newer vehicles generally have better emissions than older ones.

 

New Zealand isn't the first to add a subsidy for EVs, infact we're one of the last developed countries to do so. As such, there is plenty of visible evidence from other countries that have had similar schemes running for years now that show the positive effect in EV uptake from adding a subsidy. You may very well have an opinion that it will have little long term impact, but actual evidence suggests otherwise.

 

 

 

My comment about the Ute sales spike wasn't about emissions. It was to show sales increases occurred for EV's and non EV's (two diametrically opposed types of vehicles) at exactly the same time. Therefore the impact of the Clean Car Package on EV sales numbers may not show the whole story.

The Clean Car Package may turn out to be the best thing New Zealand should have done but justifying it on the basis that this is what everyone else has done doesn't stack up unless you also compare countries that are very similar to New Zealand.  Population density, population affluence, infrastructure, geography, public transport etc. All of these things affect where we drive, how far we drive, what style/size of vehicle we drive etc.

RobDickinson:

Batman: Otoh, I am looking at EVs because of the cash back. Only worry is money runs out when it arrives...

Oh look Batman with the I'm buying an EV honest but have you thought about THIS! Again.

There is $300m in the pot for rebates this year, theres no realistic chance that runs out. The scheme from next year will be funded from extra fees on polluting vehicles.