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  #1288391 21-Apr-2015 12:04
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I suspect this is a response to the rise of 3D printing.

If I have a 3D printer, and either a good 3D scanner or some measuring instruments and FreeCAD, I no longer need to go to Toyota/Ford/whoever to replace a broken tail light. I can just print my own. The same applies to any plastic part (up to the size of my 3D printer). I could even (perish the thought!) *improve* on the car's design.

http://www.thingiverse.com/search?q=car+parts&sa= finds 471 objects. Admittedly, most are to do with model cars, and there's a lot of non-car-part stuff. But there is a Chrysler PT Cruise fog light lens, Mazda Miata/MX5 window winders, Toyota engine bay clips, an MGB distributor shutter (whatever that is), a Kia Sportage sunshade clip, Honda Accord aircon knob, a Ferrari F1 steering wheel, a brake disc, a complete Maclaren F1 car body ( 4" X 8" X 2.5" admittedly, but no reason why you couldn't scale it up wink), and quite a number of GPS/phone/tablet/cup holders of various kinds. I also noticed someone on TradeMe selling IIRC MkIV Zephyr interior light lenses.

And this.

This is the RIAA stupidity all over again... instead of embracing the new technology and saying "Thank God we no longer need to keep an inventory of spare parts... we could even reduce the price of new cars", the automobile industry chooses to legislatively protect their cash cow.




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ECU firmware is already copyrighted, legally you can't change any single bit of it. Car diagnostic software are the same. However, seems nobody cares.

I believe the same is true for every detail of car. You just can't start producing and selling fuel pump for ford or toyota.
Also, any cars modifications are effectively prohibited in many countries, or just costs hips of money to legalize these changes. Don't know about NZ though.
So this law just do nothing for home mechanics. They already pretty much outlaw :)

Who this really can affect - is car services. In this way car makers can force services to buy license to fix their cars (every year, every model different license), which will of course reflect on service prices. This will be similar to "tax" that barbers and supermarkets pay to media companies for playing radio through loudspeakers.

In addition, they can provide certification for each car like software companies do.

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  #1288516 21-Apr-2015 14:06
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johnr: OMG the world is going mad


The USA is going mad and passing on the infection.



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  #1288517 21-Apr-2015 14:08
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joker97: would buying Japanese and Korean (and god forbid Chinese) -made cars be exempt?

either way the TPPA is crazy.


We will all be buying Chinese cars soon. Remember what was said about the Japanese cars in the 60's and early 70's and the Korean cars in the 80's and 90's

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  #1288521 21-Apr-2015 14:20
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Some modifications of cars are already illegal.  With good reason too.  Change the wrong things and all sorts of safety risks arise.

I couldn't care less about the copyright implications.  I believe copyright is their to prevent copying.  I have no more difficulty from an intellectual property perspective with someone altering copyright code, than with them writing notes in a novel.  Unlocking extra features you normally have to pay for - borderline.

But if I buy a second hand car, I actually wouldn't like to be exposed to the risk that some Muppet has meddled with the code to the detriment of safety systems.

For example: someone messing with traction control systems. 





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  #1288552 21-Apr-2015 14:56
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KiwiNZ:
joker97: would buying Japanese and Korean (and god forbid Chinese) -made cars be exempt?

either way the TPPA is crazy.


We will all be buying Chinese cars soon. Remember what was said about the Japanese cars in the 60's and early 70's and the Korean cars in the 80's and 90's


If they are anything like Chinese locomotives , no thanx..




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  #1288568 21-Apr-2015 15:21
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I just fail to see what Copyright has to do with maintenance.

It's a bogus call to ensure that only licensed dealers can offer over-priced service.




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  #1288599 21-Apr-2015 15:46
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Dealer extortion scheme.




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  #1288682 21-Apr-2015 16:59
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As long as the first thing they crack down on is noisy after market exhausts it won't be all bad. (Bah humbug)

I have difficulty with not being allowed to modify something I own. That being said, what goes along with that right is also the responsibility. If you carry out mods, be it on your car, your house or your computer you must be willing to accept loss of warranty or insurance cover, and in extreme cases when life is endangered or lost, face prosecution.




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  #1288716 21-Apr-2015 18:09
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Handsomedan: I just fail to see what Copyright has to do with maintenance.


They've been battling Taiwanese knockoffs, some of very dubious fit and quality, for many years.

It's a bogus call to ensure that only licensed dealers can offer over-priced service.


Yes. And over-priced parts.



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  #1288719 21-Apr-2015 18:10
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Dingbatt: As long as the first thing they crack down on is noisy after market exhausts it won't be all bad. (Bah humbug)

I have difficulty with not being allowed to modify something I own. That being said, what goes along with that right is also the responsibility. If you carry out mods, be it on your car, your house or your computer you must be willing to accept loss of warranty or insurance cover, and in extreme cases when life is endangered or lost, face prosecution.


But you don't "own" it, you have a license to "use" it for your own personal usage :P
*I expect this will be the next line companies start to use.

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  #1288748 21-Apr-2015 18:41
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mdooher: Why should I pay $600 for key when with the manipulation of a couple of bytes I can add any key I want?


~$750 for a spare key and separate remote for my wife's 2008 Nissan. So, we don't have a spare key/remote for her car. Absolutely pathetic.




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  #1288752 21-Apr-2015 18:48
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Skimming the article, isn't it aimed pretty much at the ECU and other electronic controls? If so, I don't have a problem with that. Repairing vehicles implied I couldn't buy a sway bar and fit it, but I doubt that is where the copyright is heading.

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  #1288785 21-Apr-2015 20:41
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We'll be right in NZ.
Just buy your car off someone who offers Global Mode.

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  #1288794 21-Apr-2015 20:56
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Using copyright to address safety concerns? Stupid.

If it is really needed this is an area for traffic law not copyright. Facepalm. I call conspiracy ; )

I predict this won't last long. Cellphone unlock is now legal in the USA!

http://www.cnet.com/news/president-signs-cell-phone-unlocking-bill-into-law/

Double facepalm.

USA politicians get paid to stuff it up AND fix it. Win/Win!

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