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#1470154 13-Jan-2016 16:33

We've had a Rexton for 18 months now which we got as we needed the towing capacity (most SUVs are only 2T or less now unless you spend mega money) and it's been fine. If I compare it to a Nissan Pathfinder or Land Cruiser then it's not as fancy and doesn't have as many features, many of which I'd never use, but then it was a hell of a lot cheaper.

The only problems have been a faulty support arm on the rear door and a turbo hose clamp failing which has been sorted under warranty. So far it's done 65,000km so it's been getting some good usage.

I'd definitely get one again based on our requirements and price but can't directly comment on the Tivoli.

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#1470539 14-Jan-2016 09:20

The Tivoli hasn't been crash tested by ANCAP so you'd be a buying it a bit of an unknown when it comes to what happens in an accident. It has a lot of safety kit and received 5 stars from the Korean NCAP but that would have been a left hand drive model tested, what happened with the Tucson (5 stars from EuroNCAP, 4 stars from ANCAP) shows that how a car performs can vary based on where they put the steering wheel and footwell strengthening (to Hyundai's credit they've recently fixed it and it's now 5 stars).

I bought my first Korean car last month (a Kia) and have been very happy with it, but I think Ssangyong quality is nowhere near the level of Kia and Hyundai. As recommended by other people with your budget go for a 3 year old Mazda, Toyota, Honda etc - when something goes wrong it'll be much easier and cheaper to get it fixed compared to something like a Ssangyong where there's not many on the road. According to NZTA there's 3 million passenger vehicles registered in NZ, according to Ssangyong's website they've sold 8,463 here.

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#1470546 14-Jan-2016 09:30

meesham: The Tivoli hasn't been crash tested by ANCAP so you'd be a buying it a bit of an unknown when it comes to what happens in an accident. It has a lot of safety kit and received 5 stars from the Korean NCAP but that would have been a left hand drive model tested, what happened with the Tucson (5 stars from EuroNCAP, 4 stars from ANCAP) shows that how a car performs can vary based on where they put the steering wheel and footwell strengthening (to Hyundai's credit they've recently fixed it and it's now 5 stars).

I bought my first Korean car last month (a Kia) and have been very happy with it, but I think Ssangyong quality is nowhere near the level of Kia and Hyundai. As recommended by other people with your budget go for a 3 year old Mazda, Toyota, Honda etc - when something goes wrong it'll be much easier and cheaper to get it fixed compared to something like a Ssangyong where there's not many on the road. According to NZTA there's 3 million passenger vehicles registered in NZ, according to Ssangyong's website they've sold 8,463 here.

Thanks for that.

A car with a similar price tag but more safety specs might be the Suzuki Sx4 S-cross. Think it has a 5 star safety rating as well

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#1470567 14-Jan-2016 09:44

psychrn:

A car with a similar price tag but more safety specs might be the Suzuki Sx4 S-cross. Think it has a 5 star safety rating as well

Just be aware that it wasn't actually tested by ANCAP, they took the results from a left-hand drive result from EuroNCAP and converted it to an ANCAP score (http://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/suzuki/sx4-s-cross/5300af). In my opinion what happened with the Tucson shows that this doesn't always give a true picture of what would happen in a crash here when they do that. It does limit the choice of cars however if you only go for ones tested by ANCAP themselves, so it's really a personal choice about whether that matters. I'm also not that fussed on the Suzuki CVT gearbox, but again that's a personal choice.

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#1470568 14-Jan-2016 09:44

psychrn:
meesham: The Tivoli hasn't been crash tested by ANCAP so you'd be a buying it a bit of an unknown when it comes to what happens in an accident. It has a lot of safety kit and received 5 stars from the Korean NCAP but that would have been a left hand drive model tested, what happened with the Tucson (5 stars from EuroNCAP, 4 stars from ANCAP) shows that how a car performs can vary based on where they put the steering wheel and footwell strengthening (to Hyundai's credit they've recently fixed it and it's now 5 stars).

I bought my first Korean car last month (a Kia) and have been very happy with it, but I think Ssangyong quality is nowhere near the level of Kia and Hyundai. As recommended by other people with your budget go for a 3 year old Mazda, Toyota, Honda etc - when something goes wrong it'll be much easier and cheaper to get it fixed compared to something like a Ssangyong where there's not many on the road. According to NZTA there's 3 million passenger vehicles registered in NZ, according to Ssangyong's website they've sold 8,463 here.

Thanks for that.

A car with a similar price tag but more safety specs might be the Suzuki Sx4 S-cross. Think it has a 5 star safety rating as well

The S Cross is a good car especially the AWD versions and you get a free iPhone 6 with it right now. The selectable AWD system is actually very good and gives the vehicle abilities on many different surfaces. It not
a rock hopper or mud lark but will go where most folks would take it. I have driven one on forest tracks, a fire break a couple of beaches and river beds and had no issues what so ever. They are great on back roads.

edit; the CVT gave me no issues, it was responsive and unobtrusive and it certainly aids economy

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#1471491 15-Jan-2016 07:30

There is a special at the moment on the Kia Soul; $27k + ORC.

I think this would be a more reliable vehicle, and comes with Kia's five year warranty.

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#1475673 20-Jan-2016 20:08

another 2 in the mix also is the Mazda CX3 and the Honda HRV

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#1475745 20-Jan-2016 22:16

Both are relatively small vehicles, given they're based on the 2 and Jazz respectively, but it seems that's what you're after.

CX3 is the one to get if you're after a nice handling vehicle (but avoid the diesel as it's apparently underpowered), the HRV if you care about space (magic seats, relatively big boot; the boot in the Mazda is tiny). I'm not too keen on the CVT gearbox in the HRV, whereas the standard auto in the Mazda is pretty good.

Still, the original low-riding models (2, Jazz, Fiesta...) are inevitably far cheaper and better value than their trendier higher-riding cousins.

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#1475844 21-Jan-2016 07:49

jonathan18: Both are relatively small vehicles, given they're based on the 2 and Jazz respectively, but it seems that's what you're after.

CX3 is the one to get if you're after a nice handling vehicle (but avoid the diesel as it's apparently underpowered), the HRV if you care about space (magic seats, relatively big boot; the boot in the Mazda is tiny). I'm not too keen on the CVT gearbox in the HRV, whereas the standard auto in the Mazda is pretty good.

Still, the original low-riding models (2, Jazz, Fiesta...) are inevitably far cheaper and better value than their trendier higher-riding cousins.

You actually sit up quite high in the Jazz, I'd suggest you have a sit in it and see what you think. The magic seats actually give you a lot of space when you fold them up as well, my wife had one and it was a fantastic car.

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#1475858 21-Jan-2016 08:20

Sorry, I'm meaning lower riding as a relative term between the two models of the same brand, eg Jazz versus the HRV.

I agree the seats are comparatively high in the Jazz relative to others in the same class; my wife's also got one (last model NZ new so not a CVT), and I think they are pretty damn good cars. Wouldn't drive one as my own car, but she loves it. Magic seats are clever but don't get used in our one as it's too big a hassle to take the kids' car seats out!

I would suggest the OP does look at the Jazz etc, given he'd get a lot better value from his stated budget.

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#1475883 21-Jan-2016 08:59

Saw my first Tivoli out in the wild only yesterday. Can't say I was particularly inspired. In fact the part of the TV advert in which one of the brainstorming team says "it has four wheels" is probably the most apt descriptor.
Already you appear to be suffering the inevitable bracket creep, where wanting to spend mid 20s becomes low 30s. Many car sales businesses have now zeroed their sales targets for the new year. So unless you are looking to buy a MY2015 new vehicle there may not be much interest in bargaining from their perspective.

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#1476078 21-Jan-2016 12:46

Dingbatt: Saw my first Tivoli out in the wild only yesterday. Can't say I was particularly inspired. In fact the part of the TV advert in which one of the brainstorming team says "it has four wheels" is probably the most apt descriptor.
Already you appear to be suffering the inevitable bracket creep, where wanting to spend mid 20s becomes low 30s. Many car sales businesses have now zeroed their sales targets for the new year. So unless you are looking to buy a MY2015 new vehicle there may not be much interest in bargaining from their perspective.

Isn't this company part owned by an Indian car company? So I wonder if they are part built in India. Personally I would rather buy a second hand premium brand for the same price, especially if keeping it for many years. Toyota rav4 or something like that will likely last for many years. My parents have a 10 year old one, the previous generation and it is as good as new and never had any problems, and built in Japan.

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#1477257 23-Jan-2016 12:03

My Family has a couple of SsangYong utes at their company and they have been pretty reliable over the last 10 years (the old model with the 5 cylinder merc diesel).
Over that time they didn't need really need anything done/replaced on them apart from normal wear and items, the only issue with them was the lack of power and the soft suspension that only just failed in one.

Hopefully the new models last just as long as they just purchased 3 new SsangYong diesel utes..

I did have a quick look over a Tivoli at the dealer over xmas (visually) and didn't think they looked too bad, interior quality wasn't really the best but still well above the Chinese competition.

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#1477258 23-Jan-2016 12:07

Dingbatt: Saw my first Tivoli out in the wild only yesterday. Can't say I was particularly inspired. In fact the part of the TV advert in which one of the brainstorming team says "it has four wheels" is probably the most apt descriptor.
Already you appear to be suffering the inevitable bracket creep, where wanting to spend mid 20s becomes low 30s. Many car sales businesses have now zeroed their sales targets for the new year. So unless you are looking to buy a MY2015 new vehicle there may not be much interest in bargaining from their perspective.

I think they will probably depreciate like a stone too, as soon as you drive it off the lot. European cars suffer from the same issue in nz. The top brands don't depreciate as badly.

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#1477996 25-Jan-2016 05:43

Ive struck the usual problem the more vehicles you look at the harder it gets.

I think we will make up a short list then go on some test drives

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