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Topic # 190809 13-Jan-2016 11:51
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We are in the market for a new new SUV and today had the chance to look over a Tivoli. Looked quite reasonable
Have seen the Cherry series and all the agents said to stay away from those.
Anybody got any thoughts on SsangYong or recommend any other Brand.
Open for Pricing mid to late 20K range




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  Reply # 1469018 13-Jan-2016 12:07
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Tivoli is not an SUV!

It seems bizarre that you think of it as an SUV. It is in the same class with Mazda Demio, Ford Focus, etc.

Afaik all Tivoli is 2WD only.

Ssangyong Rexton is an SUV.

Ssangyong Korando is a CUV.





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  Reply # 1469021 13-Jan-2016 12:14
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Having just bought a 2015 Suzuki Vitara I can honestly say that Tivoli is a nice looking SUV...even if it doesn't have 4WD @nakedmolerat !


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1469023 13-Jan-2016 12:18
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nakedmolerat: Tivoli is not an SUV!

It seems bizarre that you think of it as an SUV. It is in the same class with Mazda Demio, Ford Focus, etc.

Afaik all Tivoli is 2WD only.

Ssangyong Rexton is an SUV.

Ssangyong Korando is a CUV.


Ssangyong Stavic is an UGLY.

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  Reply # 1469025 13-Jan-2016 12:21
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new new SUV @ 20k?

that limits your options.

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  Reply # 1469028 13-Jan-2016 12:33
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nakedmolerat: Tivoli is not an SUV!

It seems bizarre that you think of it as an SUV. It is in the same class with Mazda Demio, Ford Focus, etc.


I don't know - the NZ SsangYong website shows the Tivoli as actually quite a large vehicle - see http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/tivoli/.

(Seriously though, is it just my browser that shows such a farcically distorted [and poor-quality] image? If it's the same for all that's a terribly bad look having such a stuff-up on the dealer's website.)

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  Reply # 1469035 13-Jan-2016 12:46
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I think you are better off buying a second hand mainstream brand for around the same price. Toyota, Mazda, hyundai subs all rate pretty well, and will pro ably have better resale value as well. These Chinese cars tend to use old designs from the mainstream brands. They are usually cheaper for a reason. Sometimes the safety rating isn't as good either. In 10 years though I suspect most new cars in NZ will be Chinese, once they are building their own designs and perfected them, they will become like Korea is now.

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  Reply # 1469044 13-Jan-2016 13:01
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Hard to give any good advice without knowing how you're going to use your vehicle. How long are you likely to keep it? How many km's/year might you expect to do. How many/often people will you have in the car? Is towing a consideration? Offroading? Camping?...

Notwithstanding the above, as pointed out above, the Tivoli is not an SUV. Ssanyong has poor brand/value recognition and this will impact negatively on resale (not just price, but also how easily you can find buyers). Depending on your needs it may represent good value though (again, as above) you will likely gain a more positive, safer, and better value ownership in buying a more recognised alternative from Japan/Korea.

At the end of the day it's your choice - drive the Tivoli, and also drive some similarly priced alternatives, then buy the one you want. Hopefully you'll have years of happy motoring!

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  Reply # 1469045 13-Jan-2016 13:03
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23.5 got me a 2011 Mitsubishi Outlander with under 100k on it - 3L V6.

Equivalent Highlander (which is getting mighty close to full big 4wd and with nicer options) was roughly 35k.

Do you want a big SUV or a little SUV? What is it being used for?

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  Reply # 1469049 13-Jan-2016 13:16
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Buy a used Tiguan.
Will out last and be cheaper than any Korean SUV.
More comfortable too.

I work for VW in service and i can say they are very reliable across the range.




 


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mattwnz: I think you are better off buying a second hand mainstream brand for around the same price. Toyota, Mazda, hyundai subs all rate pretty well, and will pro ably have better resale value as well. These Chinese cars tend to use old designs from the mainstream brands. They are usually cheaper for a reason. Sometimes the safety rating isn't as good either. In 10 years though I suspect most new cars in NZ will be Chinese, once they are building their own designs and perfected them, they will become like Korea is now.


SsangYong is actually a South Korean company, so your comment re China is somewhat misleading! (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SsangYong_Motor)

In confirming my understanding, I also see that since 2014 70% of the company has been owned by Mahindra, a large Indian car company.



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  Reply # 1469068 13-Jan-2016 13:21
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jonathan18:
nakedmolerat: Tivoli is not an SUV!

It seems bizarre that you think of it as an SUV. It is in the same class with Mazda Demio, Ford Focus, etc.


I don't know - the NZ SsangYong website shows the Tivoli as actually quite a large vehicle - see http://www.ssangyong.co.nz/tivoli/.

(Seriously though, is it just my browser that shows such a farcically distorted [and poor-quality] image? If it's the same for all that's a terribly bad look having such a stuff-up on the dealer's website.)


Nope, it isn't just your browser, the image is terrible for a dealers site. 



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  Reply # 1470135 13-Jan-2016 15:58
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The company literature say it is an SUV as is the Korando which is slightly higher spec. I did mention the late 20K mark. Top end one is $31 K
Average Kms per year. I usually run a Can Am Spyder as my daily commute and partner uses the car to work around 14 km s each way.
It i higher off the ground than a normal car I note.
Has a fair bit of space in the back to which suits us better.
Yes SsangYong is definitely South Korean
We hit the 60 age bracket next year and I would think this be our last new Car ( Never had a brand new car before  BTW)
Anyway guys interesting discussion so far




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  Reply # 1470136 13-Jan-2016 16:00
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wasabi2k: 23.5 got me a 2011 Mitsubishi Outlander with under 100k on it - 3L V6.

Equivalent Highlander (which is getting mighty close to full big 4wd and with nicer options) was roughly 35k.

Do you want a big SUV or a little SUV? What is it being used for?

The 1.6  l engine is about the right size for us- so a small SUV I suppose




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  Reply # 1470137 13-Jan-2016 16:01
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psychrn: The company literature say it is an SUV as is the Korando which is slightly higher spec. I did mention the late 20K mark. Top end one is $31 K
Average Kms per year. I usually run a Can Am Spyder as my daily commute and partner uses the car to work around 14 km s each way.
It i higher off the ground than a normal car I note.
Has a fair bit of space in the back to which suits us better.
Yes SsangYong is definitely South Korean
We hit the 60 age bracket next year and I would think this be our last new Car ( Never had a brand new car before  BTW)
Anyway guys interesting discussion so far


Hyundai AKA Kai are the only brands I would buy from Korea at the moment. They used to be pretty poor quality about 10-15 years ago, but they have really gone up in standard and are new nearly as good (if not better)  than the Japanese brands.

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  Reply # 1470152 13-Jan-2016 16:30
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I would suggest going to the dog and lemon website to see what they say about it. That usually lists things like recalls and problems people have had.
It actually looks like a poorer cousin of the Kia Soul, which I think is one of the ugliest cars on the road. Not much behind the Fiat Multiplier 1st gen.
 Also one thing about the life of a car. I don't think new cars will last as long as previous gen cars from the 90's and 00's, because of the technology in them. Cars with integrated screens for nav and music only, the screens only  have a limited life. In the old days cars used to easily last 20 plus years. But the technology in them these days, I would put it closer to 10 years, just because there is so much more to go wrong, and I suspect they are very expensive to fix hen they get older. eg to replace a 8 year old LCD touchscreen in a car, if you can still get the part I suspect will be pretty costly. However that is one reason I would go for a mainstream popular brand, as there are more likely to be parts for it in the future, including aftermarket parts. Some for the parts for these 2nd and 3rd tier branded older cars can be more difficult to source.

The thing is you can get a brand new mazda 2, top of the range for less than $30k with all the latest features. It is basically the same as the new CX3 SUV but 10k cheaper, because it isn't a fashionable SUV style. But the interior is identical.

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