This gadget adds advanced adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping technology to your car

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#3130012 21-Sep-2023 09:11

Don't know what the fuss is about. Got one already, looks remarkably similar to the one illustrated in the first post, on the right with the mouth open...

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#3130026 21-Sep-2023 09:54

Azzura:

I figured something like this could come out someday. And my 2018 Toyota Prius Prime is a compatible vehicle.

This is very impressive. I would like to see it add driver courtesy. E.g. if it sees an indicator ahead where someone is looking to change into your lane, then it backs off to allow this. It would also be nice if it could somehow suggest moving out of the fast lane when not needing to be there because of other slower traffic. AI should be good at this but people seem poor at it and it means traffic throughput on roads is less than it should be.

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#3130027 21-Sep-2023 09:56

wellygary:

And my 2018 Toyota Prius Prime is a compatible vehicle.

you might want to check the fine print

"Compatibility and harness selection based on the US car market"

Just because the brand and model match, cars are not yet global products.... :(

But looks interesting none the less.....

The CAN bus protocol hopefully offers greater standardisation under the surface than what you see on the outside of various international models.

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#3130028 21-Sep-2023 09:58

frankv:

A grand for the gadget, plus $200 for the harness. That'll be US$, so NZ$1800. Plus shipping, say $100. Plus GST. So about $2,200 to your door. Seems like a great price for the kind of technology involved.

Sensors you can I guess glue or clip on (although they're probably going to need to be accurately positioned to be most effective). But I wonder how it controls the steering and throttle/brakes? Surely you aren't expected to build your own steering actuator? Which I expect would require an engineering cert to get a WoF. But otherwise it's only compatible with cars that already have cruise control (including brakes) and some kind of drive-by-wire electronic steering control. Which kind of limits its compatibility to cars that pretty much already have lane assist and adaptive cruise control. Or have I missed something?

The only sensors are the cameras and the GPS?

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#3130030 21-Sep-2023 10:00

Yeah that seems like an insurance / safety nightmare if something goes wrong.

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#3130034 21-Sep-2023 10:06

BlargHonk:

Yeah that seems like an insurance / safety nightmare if something goes wrong.

I disagree, people that use any form of self driving system need to understand the limitations and be attentive and ready to react. This and any other current self driving system is not autonomous driving. That is a long way away from average Joe as far as I can tell.

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#3130226 21-Sep-2023 16:42

itxtme:

BlargHonk:

Yeah that seems like an insurance / safety nightmare if something goes wrong.

I disagree, people that use any form of self driving system need to understand the limitations and be attentive and ready to react. This and any other current self driving system is not autonomous driving. That is a long way away from average Joe as far as I can tell.

… and I totally disagree with that. It would be very unwise to put this on your car without telling your insurance company. @BlargHonk is right.

Insurance companies always ask "is your car modified in any way?" - when setting up the insurance and when processing a claim. Anything that changes the car from how it was when it left the factory (particularly anything to do with handling or performance) will affect the insurance premium. If you don't tell your insurer first, you are likely to get a nasty surprise if you have to make a claim.

The same as in this thread.

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#3130416 22-Sep-2023 10:59

eracode:

… and I totally disagree with that. It would be very unwise to put this on your car without telling your insurance company. @BlargHonk is right.

Insurance companies always ask "is your car modified in any way?" - when setting up the insurance and when processing a claim. Anything that changes the car from how it was when it left the factory (particularly anything to do with handling or performance) will affect the insurance premium. If you don't tell your insurer first, you are likely to get a nasty surprise if you have to make a claim.

The same as in this thread.

Taken way out of context. I am not talking about the insurance requirements for car modifications. I was talking in general about self driving car capabilities and the onus on the individual using the capability to recognise it is not autonomous. And I stand by that.

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#3130425 22-Sep-2023 11:23

I got tangentially involved with a NZTA study which exposed me to some information about Autonomous Vehicles which may be of interest. Most interesting is that the SAE have come up with this definition of AVs which NZTA also seems to be using. As you can see it's more nuanced than AV or not AV.

https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

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#3130426 22-Sep-2023 11:23

itxtme:

Taken way out of context. I am not talking about the insurance requirements for car modifications. I was talking in general about self driving car capabilities and the onus on the individual using the capability to recognise it is not autonomous. And I stand by that.

But you made that comment solely in response to an earlier comment about insurance problems - and you specifically disagreed with that insurance comment. So in what context were we meant to take it?

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#3130431 22-Sep-2023 11:51

eracode:

But you made that comment solely in response to an earlier comment about insurance problems - and specifically disagreeing with that insurance comment. So in what context were we meant to take it?

I would suggest in the context that I wrote it.

I disagree, people that use any form of self driving system need to understand the limitations and be attentive and ready to react. This and any other current self driving system is not autonomous driving. That is a long way away from average Joe as far as I can tell.

If BlargHonk was referring to needing to let your insurance know about a modification then I apologise - yes you do need to. But I believe they were referring to the technology of self driving - which makes use of tech already in the car to steer the vehicle.

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