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  #2897939 7-Apr-2022 09:52
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Scott3:

Geektastic: They don’t place any restriction on people filling tanks or bowsers with petrol to stockpile it. Why should RUCs be any different? I’ll buy at least 10,000 when the price drops and they can argue with me if they so wish.


 


The situation is not comparable:



  • There are barriers to storing large quantities of petrol, such as the need for vessels to put it in, or cost to buy them. - HSNO regulations put restrictions around storing the fuel too.

  • Petrol's shelf life. - generally speaking consuming petrol is best consumed within 6 months.

  • 25c tax cut on $3/L petrol is an 8.3% discount. Need to tie up 4.3 times as much capital for the same savings vs buying RUC's at a 36% discount.

  • One would also be speculating petrol prices will remain high. Quite possible that the conflict in Ukraine will end, and fuel prices will drop dramatically as a result.


 


With Diesel RUC's;



  • Zero storage cost.

  • They don't have a limited shelf life.

  • 36% discount.

  • Not coupled in with fuel prices, so negligible chance that they will end up even cheaper in a few months.


 


That said, While it would be very easy to retrospectively audit use. (i.e. if somebody brought more discounted RUC's than they mileage they did between 12 month WOF's, it would be obvious they over purchased discounted RUC's), I suspect the government will turn a blind eye to this.



  1. There is a per transaction fee. So RUC's is typically purchased in large blocks by many.

  2. The press releases seem to discuss intent, rather than actual usage. Intent is very hard to prove. I could have been planning day trips to distant surf beaches twice a week for the three months, but then change my mind after the first trip.



It’s perfectly comparable. Anyone can install tanks or buy bowser trailers and fill them. Happens all the time in the countryside.

Add on top the 12c/l discount from paying with a fuel card like Farmlands and the savings are even bigger.







  #2897979 7-Apr-2022 10:48
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I'll just buy the 10,000km I always buy. I do about 25-30k a year so its roughly 4-5 months of RUC. I won't go out and abuse the system but I'm also not going out of my way to manage 3 months vs 4/5 months.


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  #2898004 7-Apr-2022 12:00
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Geektastic:

It’s perfectly comparable. Anyone can install tanks or buy bowser trailers and fill them. Happens all the time in the countryside.

Add on top the 12c/l discount from paying with a fuel card like Farmlands and the savings are even bigger.

 

 

 

Technically possible yes. I used to do that stuff for a living as an engineer.

But completly unrealistic to do to save a little road tax.

One could easily buy 30,000km of RUC's in one hit, but to buy 30,000km of petrol in one hit, means (say at 10L/100km for easy maths), means 3000L. Would save $750 in tax.

But a 3000L fuel storage tanks costs many thousands, even if you could source old 200L drums for $40 each, that is still $600 in drums. And then you have to use all the petrol up in 6 months before it goes stale. And there is a risk that the price of fuel could drop by more than the 25c tax saving.

Some people will already have bulk on site petrol handling facilities, but it would be very unusual for these to be sized to store more than a couple of months of fuel.





  #2898101 7-Apr-2022 13:39
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Some people will already have bulk on site petrol handling facilities, but it would be very unusual for these to be sized to store more than a couple of months of fuel.


 

 

 

 

If people have on site storage for fuel its more likely to be diesel for heavy machinery than unleaded petrol.


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  #2898333 7-Apr-2022 21:12
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I will probably follow suit with @Senecio

 

With those admin fee increases, I will be less inclined to buy as I go and will 'guess-itmate' the usage.. probably 5 units worth (I also do around 15-20k per year).





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How it works is now here on the NZTA site

 

Note the section on what happens if you buy too much which  says

 

"You should only buy enough RUC for the distance you intend to travel during the discount period.

 

If Waka Kotahi finds that your RUC purchases at the discounted rate have been excessive, unreasonable or are an abuse of the temporary rate reduction, we can charge you the non-discounted rates for your RUC.

 

If this happens, we’ll send you an invoice for your RUC at the normal rate. You'll have to pay the difference between the discounted rate and the normal RUC rates"

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Senecio:

 

I'll just buy the 10,000km I always buy. I do about 25-30k a year so its roughly 4-5 months of RUC. I won't go out and abuse the system but I'm also not going out of my way to manage 3 months vs 4/5 months.

 

 

 

 

You can do an over-lapping licence easy enough on-line.  You will be able to 'trade in' your existing licence and get a credit on the unused mileage, then using that credit you can buy a new licence at the reduced rate (you may have to top it up slightly to the nearest 1,000 km). So even if you have a current RUC licence, you can still get the discounted rate. 

 

If it's anything like what they usually do, any obvious abuse they will simply send you a bill for the difference (between the normal rate and the discounted rate) once the rate goes back up.  For example if you always buy ~10,000 km per year for your vehicle, and have done so for the last 5 years, then suddenly you buy 80,000 km during the discount period, they could send you a bill for the cost difference for the 70,000 km extra you suddenly purchased.  If you are a little less obvious you may get away with it.  In any event the worst that could happen is you have to pay the normal amount, but if you went to the extreme and buy a huge distance, that might be a pretty big bill! 

 

    





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xlinknz:

 

"From Late April to late July 2022, Road User Charges will be cut by 36 percent across all legislated rates"

 

Good on the Beehive we site to provide info where clearly NZTA/Waka Kotahi seem so far unable too

 

 

Looks like it will be a good time to catch up on the old RUC.

 

In some ways, this is quite smart of govt.  I'll get up to date (I'm way behind).  Then I'll buy as much as I can in advance, while it's cheap.  So while the govt will lose on unit price, they'll get overdue and advance revenue out of it. 





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