Kia EV6 - NZ Pricing and spec sheet released

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#2897846 6-Apr-2022 22:19

Some of the reviews I have watched have been underwhelming in terms of reliability and bugginess. On one the heating kept failing and they were driving in a cold climate. Not something I would expect of a new expensive car from out of the box. Its Hyundai Ioniq5 brother doesn't seem to have had the same issues. But I think the Kia visually looks better and a more cohesive design, even though Kia is more of their budget brand over Hyundai, which could be one reason it is undercutting the Ioniq5 on price by quite a bit.

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#2897847 6-Apr-2022 22:19

cshwone:

Definitely affordable!! People can cope with OPEX, it's Capital that gets them every time.

After the rebate, the base trim works out to $64,365 +ORC. Same ballpark as a top spec Sportage ($62,990+ORC), a base spec Sorento ($62,170+ORC after rebate), or a base highlander ($63,405 after clean car fee), so it is not out of touch with the money people spend on new SUV's. And that is before lower running costs are considered.

Should note that while the EV6 is only a 5 seater, it is riding on a 2,900mm wheelbase so should compete with those larger SUV's in situations where buyers only need 5 seats.

That said, I don't imagine many of the base car will be sold. Suspect they are offering it largely to get the EV6 on to peoples shopping list ($73k is in the same ballpark as a $69k base polestar 2, or a $74,443 base Tesla model 3.

Once you take a look at the spec sheet, $6k to increase the power from 125kW to 168kW, the WLTP3 range from 395 km to 528km, and the braked tow rating from 750kg to 1600kg looks like a really good value upgrade.

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#2897848 6-Apr-2022 22:22

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its a minimum of a 58KWh battery and 394km of range

Don't get me wrong - it's a great set of specs. I just think until we have faster charging, the general public will be somewhat put off by the inconvenience (whether real or perceived).

How many kms do you travel to and from work each day? Unless you are over 150kms round trip per day it's significantly more convenient to "fill up" than an IC car as you don't need to go to a service/charging station.

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#2897854 6-Apr-2022 22:39

mattwnz: Some of the reviews I have watched have been underwhelming in terms of reliability and bugginess. On one the heating kept failing and they were driving in a cold climate. Not something I would expect of a new expensive car from out of the box. Its Hyundai Ioniq5 brother doesn't seem to have had the same issues. But I think the Kia visually looks better and a more cohesive design, even though Kia is more of their budget brand over Hyundai, which could be one reason it is undercutting the Ioniq5 on price by quite a bit.

Just did a quick search:

82% of respondents on this KIA EV page had issues with their EV6 HVAC. Ouch.

https://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/have-you-had-issues-with-your-hvac-owner-poll.797/

Hopefully the teething issues are gone by the time cars are delivered in NZ.

Sounds like it is not specific to the heat pump version, so unlikely to be the reason the heat pump wasn't included.

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#2897865 6-Apr-2022 23:00

Underneath the PTC Heater on the specs page is something called Inner Condenser (HVAC) that seems to be standard. Seems like an odd way of saying it has a heat pump unless they're using that condenser for something else.

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#2897870 6-Apr-2022 23:16

Just looked into the payload.

This is their demo car:

https://www.carjam.co.nz/car/?plate=KIAEV

GVM of 2,610kg. Tare for the AWD versions on the spec sheet is a pritty epic 2,254kg.

Means the payload is just 356kg. If you have a towbar installed, consuming at a guess 25kg of your payload, that leaves 331 kg. Means the car would be full loaded with just four 82.75kg adults (no 5th passenger, and no stuff).

Hopefully there is an error in one of the numbers above. If the numbers above are true, this is an abnormally low payload.

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#2897873 6-Apr-2022 23:28

cryan209:

Underneath the PTC Heater on the specs page is something called Inner Condenser (HVAC) that seems to be standard. Seems like an odd way of saying it has a heat pump unless they're using that condenser for something else.

You could be onto something. - Surprised I missed that.

Condenser is the hot side of a air con / heat pump (i.e. outside when chilling, inside when heating). And it is stated it is for HVAC (Heating Ventilation Air Conditioning).

So if there is a condenser inside, it means the compresses has the ability to heat the inside of the car.

What most people would call a heat pump. (but potentially it could function as a dehumidifier, simply moving heat from the air con evaporator to the interior condenser)

Hyundai / Kia have a good heat pump system, so assuming we have read this correctly this is great news (it is shown across the range on the spec sheet).

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#2897940 7-Apr-2022 09:54

Scott3:

lchiu7:

If Tesla extend this pilot to NZ to allow non Tesla cars to charge at a supercharger

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/non-tesla-supercharging#selected-countries

Then I have about 8 (?) super chargers available about 10 minutes drive from my house.

No word on that yet. And it is a bit messy given the likes of the EV6 has it's charge port on the back right, where tesla has it on the back left (and tesla superchargers have very short cables.

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I can sort of attest to that. I rented a Model 3 in January and before I returned it, went to the Supercharger stations in Jville and drove in head first and found the cable did not reach :-( There were no other cars there to guide me and nobody there laughed either.

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#2897942 7-Apr-2022 09:55

Non teslas charging at superchargers is going to be a bit of a mess tbh esp things like the audis

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#2897970 7-Apr-2022 10:26

Tesla’s ‘experiment’ in NZ to set their SC rates at the same as a Corolla costs to run*, means people will probably use a nearby public charger instead because it will be cheaper (Taupo and Hamilton being two locations I would use where this is the case). The only benefit to Tesla owners (once the ‘free km’ expires) will be the ease of use that SC integration with the car’s OS allows. There are so many M3s around now, if you added other brands, there will be queues.

*Anecdote mentioned in GZ.

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#2897977 7-Apr-2022 10:45

There are not many queues now and tbh not that many new CCS equipped cars being sold here

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#2897981 7-Apr-2022 10:50

In regards to charge times, it's pretty rare that you'll be needing to charge the car from empty to full. For most peoples daily drives, a 10A socket will have the car charged up again overnight and even if it doesn't, with a battery as large as the EV6's there's still going to be plenty of charge for at least a day or two of commuting at the end of an overnight charge.

For those that do regularly arrive home with an empty battery then a higher amp charger would be a worthy investment.

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#2898000 7-Apr-2022 11:39

I am going to take one for a drive this afternoon. Didn't think that public test drive's would be offered yet, so pleasant surprise.

Not really in the market for a new car, but this is the first Rebate eligible EV in the market that has broadly similar spec's to my 2006 hybrid SUV. Would mean loosing AWD, and going from 200kW down to 168kW, but those aren't massive issues.

Will find out what plug on the slow charge cord. Will ask about the Tare weights & heat pump, but don't really want to pay to take it over a weighbridge.

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#2898015 7-Apr-2022 12:46

Scott3:

Will ask about the Tare weights & heat pump, but don't really want to pay to take it over a weighbridge.

Take a very small item of rubbish to the recycling centre and get weighed going in and out?

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#2898083 7-Apr-2022 13:17

Scott3:

and going from 200kW down to 168kW

I suspect it will still feel peppier than your current ICE SUV. With an EV you feel that power even at low speeds whereas typically with an ICE you won't feel that until you're moving.

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