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  #3207599 18-Mar-2024 18:50
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Scott3:

 

With a car in that class I would recommend a wall charger. Yes, as other posters have said, you can make do with the portable charge cord that comes in the car, as long as you average under 100km per day, the portable cord will keep you charged up.

 

 

sorry i have difficulty understanding certain things - so you recommend a "wall charger" - that's the Tesla Gen 3 box?




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  #3207600 18-Mar-2024 18:52
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Downside is that the Tesla wall connecter is tethered, type 2 only, meaning type 1 cars are out of luck (or need to use an adaptor). This makes it incompatible with the government guidelines for public EV charging, which calls for public chargers to be untethered, BYO cord type.

 

It also lacks the ability to fit a CT clamp to monitor the draw of the rest of the house (either to protect the pole fuse, or maximize self consumption of solar)

 

 

is there a site that lists which cars are type 2 and which cars are type 1?

 

i read somewhere a BYD had problems charging on a Tesla even though the connection fits - is that true?


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  #3207605 18-Mar-2024 19:04
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@Batman it would be good to check if you have 3 phase available. It's uncommon for residential but you see it sometimes. If you don't have 3 phase, then you will be limited to a 7kW single phase unit instead.

 

For reference, the 11kW comes from have 3 x 16 amp connections (i.e. phases) simulateously. Most homes would only have a single phase connection and (most) EVs would draw a maximum of 32 amps from that single phase (7kW). If you don't require a 3 phase 11kW wallbox then there will be more options available for you to choose from.




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  #3207623 18-Mar-2024 19:42
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KrazyKid:

 

If you don't have 3 phase power and are planning dial back to a 7KWn charger at home think about load balancing.

 

With the 32A draw that is half your power rating on the pole fuse in the street - a couple of heat pumps, the oven and a few other things and you can trip the pole fuse.

 

Also like other I question the need for an 11KW unit for most people.

 

If you need it you because you are going KM every day then that makes sense.
For reference I can 50% charge my 51KW battery in 8hr on a 16A charger.

 

 

so 16A is going to be fine for load balancing? 16A is 1/4 of my max load of a 2 phase?

 

16A is 7kW ?


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  #3207625 18-Mar-2024 19:49
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16 amp single phase = 3.6kW

 

32 amp single phase = 7kW

 

16 amp 3 phase = 11kW

 

32 amp 3 phase = 22kW


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  #3207628 18-Mar-2024 19:54
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Power = Current X Voltage 

 

Voltage will be around 230v, so to get 7kW of power would take 32 Amps of current. This is for single phase only.


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  #3207630 18-Mar-2024 19:59
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Batman:

 

is there a site that lists which cars are type 2 and which cars are type 1?

 

i read somewhere a BYD had problems charging on a Tesla even though the connection fits - is that true?

 

 

Probably, but if you are shopping for a new pure electric car it is pretty simple:

Nissan Leaf, Lexus UX300e: Type 1

 

Everything other model on the market: Type 2

 

 

 

If you as shopping used, you need to take a little care as ex japan stuff is type 1 (except tesla which is NCAS).


I think the BYD issue applies to public DC fast charging, not the Home AC charging we are discussing here:
https://thedriven.io/2023/09/21/byd-investigates-why-atto-3s-unable-to-charge-at-newly-opened-tesla-v3-superchargers/


 
 
 

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  #3207631 18-Mar-2024 19:59
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Batman:

 

thanks, will it [tesla gen 3 wall connector] work with Kia / Hyundai?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

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sorry i have difficulty understanding certain things - so you recommend a "wall charger" - that's the Tesla Gen 3 box?

 

 

 

 

I'll step back a little and explain things.


For domestic charging, we feed alternating current (AC) power to the car, and it's onboard charger uses this to charge the battery.

 

To get this to work, a little box of electronics called an EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment) is needed. In short this tells the car's onboard charger how much power it can draw, does a safety handshake with the car, then turns on some internal switches to liven the cable.

 

EVSE's come in two flavors:

Portable: Basically a brick and a cord. Family members Hyundai EV came with a cord like the below (with a NZ domestic plug, not the euro plug shown). Some other brands (Tesla, ford), don't include them, but there is a vast range you can buy for around $600.

 

Hyundai Original EV Charger Type 2-Schuko (Controlled Current, Great  Condition) | eBay

 

These work fine, but the power they can draw is limited by the rating of the socket on the end, meaning that you will add about 100km range in a 10 hour charge session.

 

You can also get versions with slightly bigger plugs fitted. one with a 16A plug will add about 160km range in a 10 hour session

 

 

 

Hardwired: Generally called a wallbox / wall connecter / wall charger etc, but it is fine to pedestal or fence mount them if you don't have a wall handy.

Basically the same idea as the above, but no plug, so no plug related current limits. As such they are generally installed with wiring sized to suit 32 Amps (7kW single phase or 22kW three phase if the latter is available), but they have the ability to turn down if the wiring isn't big enough..

There are many different brands to choose from. I think Hyundai / Kia partner with the "Wallbox" brand. For a while they were including them with some Hyundai EV's.

 

Family member have one of those (paid for not free). Pretty flash. Can do things like start, stop, speed up or slow down charging, set charging timers from their mobile app.

 

https://chargemaster.co.nz/products/wallbox-pulsar-plus

 

But it's $2000, most cars (excl MG) have charge timers built in anyway, and unless you are trying to manually solar balance, there is little need to speed up / slow down charging. Hence the recommendation or the tesla one Which they market as a "Wall connector"

 

In terms of brand's, unless you want special capability such as setting charge timers on the EVSE instead of the car, power sharing or a current transducer, you can pretty much take your pick. they will all get the same job done.


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  #3207633 18-Mar-2024 20:10
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@Scott3's summary is very good. The only thing I'd differ on is around setting charge timers. This is easy in some cars and fiddly or impossible in others. If this is something you are likely to want to do so you are charging at a specific time of day (if you have solar, or cheap night rates, or a free hour...) then an EVSE with easy to use timers can make it much easier for you.

 

There's the likes of the NZ made Evnex ones which have some of these features, but you will pay more than the bare bones Tesla one. Tesla has all the smarts in the car, rather then the EVSE, but some cars are the other way around.


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  #3207643 18-Mar-2024 20:21
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Scott3:

 

In terms of hardware, The tesla gen 3 one is by far the best bang for buck, assuming you don't need any smarts (load shedding, solar monitoring etc).
https://shop.tesla.com/en_nz/product/gen-3-wall-connector---7_3m

 

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/support/charging/Gen3_WallConnector_Installation_Manual_AU_NZ.pdf

 

if i install a Tesla box, can i remove the box from google maps? i don't want people turning up at my house to charge. sorry i've been watching a bit of social media.


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  #3207646 18-Mar-2024 20:22
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RunningMan:

 

it would be good to check if you have 3 phase available. It's uncommon for residential but you see it sometimes.

 

 

is there an easy way to tell if i have 3 phase or 1 phase?


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  #3207660 18-Mar-2024 20:32
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Batman:

 

if i install a Tesla box, can i remove the box from google maps? i don't want people turning up at my house to charge. sorry i've been watching a bit of social media.

 

 

All the EV plug share stuff is opt in, so if you don't list your driveway as a public charger and no one else puts it in there as a free public one, then no one will know its there except you and your guests.





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  #3207771 18-Mar-2024 21:49
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Batman:

 

RunningMan:

 

it would be good to check if you have 3 phase available. It's uncommon for residential but you see it sometimes.

 

 

is there an easy way to tell if i have 3 phase or 1 phase?

 

 

 

 

Post an image of your circuit board / breaker box. Somebody here will be able to tell you.


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  #3207776 18-Mar-2024 22:19
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Load balancing IS important. You may have 30 amps going to your cooktop, and you may have lotsa amps going to heat pumps (Dunedin!). I have an EVNEX EV2, and it does this, and has a good phone app, AND it is a NZ company. They will recommend a certified installer in your area. My installer did a great job, about 30 m of cable in a difficult house. I just leave it ready to go, and schedule charging 9 pm to 7 am (cheap rate) every night on the app that came with the car so that it will charge iff the car is plugged in. Perfect.





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  #3207794 19-Mar-2024 06:07
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I have an EV Power unit, it came with a load balancing add-on as part of the kit and it was a relatively painless install. 

 

I'd consider something that can be locked with an app or RFID if it's going to be on your driveway and visible from the street like ours was.

 

 


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