Hybrid cars, and which ones are available these days

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#2956164 18-Aug-2022 16:20

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Putting aside the lower emissions for a minute, on a purely economic argument, is this maths correct -

Haval Jolion ICE - 8.1l/100kms quoted on specs

Haval Jolion Hybrid 5.5l/100kms quoted on specs

So assuming figures are accurate (or equally inaccurate with the gap remaining constant), thats 2.6l/100kms more efficient, at todays cost, around $6.50 in fuel every 100kms (or 6.5c/km).

Price difference between ICE and Hybrid (after rebate) is about $5k, so $5000 / .065 = 77000kms to recover the additional upfront cost of the HEV over the same specced ICE.

That's if the figures quoted are correct. Best to get some actual figures from reviews if any.

8 and 5.5 is pretty high and if they are inaccurate then it's even higher in real life

And if you get premature battery degradation then over time it gets even worse.

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#2958311 23-Aug-2022 14:46

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alasta:

My parents ordered a Yaris hybrid in June and didn't get it until February. I imagine waiting lists might be even worse now.

Ordered a Rav4 Hybrid in Oct 21, ETA Sept 22.

Had an update from Toyota production maybe in November now.

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#2964124 7-Sep-2022 11:11

Anyone have any thoughts on the Honda Jazz e:HEV ? good, bad comparable to sliced bread ?

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#2964138 7-Sep-2022 11:23

We owned our Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV for just on a month. Our average l/100km is 1.9. We can easily travel from Te Awakairangi into Poneke and back on pure EV. Very pleased indeed.

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#2964147 7-Sep-2022 11:38

Very nice, but also almost 20grand more than the Honda.

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#2964148 7-Sep-2022 11:45

It maybe. VRX comes with full leather, heated front and rear seats, heated steering wheel, full length sun roof, and a whole lot more. We looked at the Honda offerings and not impressed.

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#2964156 7-Sep-2022 11:54

Honda has heated front seats and leather, not sure about the steering wheel. Can't be charged at home though, only has the engine and regen to charge it. But still, its a lot cheaper and we've got to stop somewhere (if we can get anything new at all...)

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#2964180 7-Sep-2022 12:47

rb99:
Honda has heated front seats and leather, not sure about the steering wheel. Can't be charged at home though, only has the engine and regen to charge it. But still, its a lot cheaper and we've got to stop somewhere (if we can get anything new at all...)

I'm about to buy one, primarily for my wife to use. We came closer to buying an EV but have decided the HEV is better value for our needs. Test drove the Jazz recently, it's definitely not a driver's car but it's comfortable, spacious and well equipped. Driver visibility is especially good and there is room for fire adults. You have to get used to the idea that there is no direct connection between engine and wheels (most of the time) and just let the power train do its thing. For daily runaround car it is very good value for money.

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#2964183 7-Sep-2022 12:58

We tried the Honda Jazz. Impressions were…

All though the rear seats and cargo space is clever it was not easy to get stuff in and out especially wheelchair.

I found the front seat we’re as comfortable as they could be and cause some discomfort.

The driving experience was bland and and while efficient not exactly engaging.

Build quality was good although some interior choices seemed odd but that is mainly subjective.

The Honda range of vehicles just seemed dated. I was also left with the feeling that Hondas commitment to Aotearoa may not be long term going forward.

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#2964200 7-Sep-2022 13:29

rb99:

Anyone have any thoughts on the Honda Jazz e:HEV ? good, bad comparable to sliced bread ?

I have never been in a new shape Jazz, but the Honda Jazz's in general are well loved for their clever use of interior space.

Note that the 2.8L/100km figure advertised is based on the fairly easy Japanese cycle. Honda have then converted this to 3.8L/100km WLTP equivalent for clean car rebate purposes. When actually tested, on WLTP, the car got 4.5L/100km.

That said, the real world (car reported) figures from the below review were really quite good:

https://www.autocar.co.nz/honda-jazz/

One downside is the Jazz hybrid is only available in a high spec version, making it fairly expensive ($36,000 + 950 orc, less $4140 rebate).

For comparison the Yaris Hybrid runs from $31,290 to $37,790 (no orc), before a $4294.66 rebate.

Yaris hybrid advertises a converted figure of 3.6L/100km wltp equivalent. (I think the actual WLTP is 4.1L/100km)

Personally I am quite fond of toyota non plug in hybrid tech, so that would be my first port of call (assuming the wait times could be stomached), but I haven't heard anything bad about the Honda Jazz.

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#2964215 7-Sep-2022 13:57

@Scott we came from 2020 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid to our current 2022 Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV. In our case I believe the Mitsubishi system has passed the Toyota. They are not the same type of hybrid but the PHEV in the Mitsubishi is more efficient. Our average fuel rate in the RAV was circa 4.9 to 6.5 L/100k and our Eclipse Cross is an average of 1.9 to 2.4 l/100k with the overall average sitting on 1.9l/100k.

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#2964232 7-Sep-2022 14:28

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@Scott we came from 2020 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid to our current 2022 Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV. In our case I believe the Mitsubishi system has passed the Toyota. They are not the same type of hybrid but the PHEV in the Mitsubishi is more efficient. Our average fuel rate in the RAV was circa 4.9 to 6.5 L/100k and our Eclipse Cross is an average of 1.9 to 2.4 l/100k with the overall average sitting on 1.9l/100k.

My comment was specific to non plug in hybrids. (not that I have anything against PHEV's, I have owned one in the past)

You are comparing a non plug in hybrid to a PHEV.

Rav4 Prime (sadly not available in NZ, except as a used import) would be a better to car to compare to the to the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV.

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#2964233 7-Sep-2022 14:30

I haven't driven the Jazz but, for comparison, my mother got a Yaris hybrid earlier this year after many months of waiting.

I found the Yaris to be better than expected in terms of driving experience - handling is sharp and transitions between petrol and electric are reasonably seamless. Performance is adequate for a vehicle of this type.

Unfortunately, like most Toyotas I've driven recently, the entertainment system is a disaster. I had to fight with it to get Carplay to work, whereas I normally expect to just plug in and go.

I also found the selection of features to be quite inconsistent. For example this top trim variant has some quite advanced features like heads-up display and radar cruise control, yet it lacks some very basic features like adjustable seatbelt anchors and electric park brake. One wonders if the parts bin has been affected by covid supply chain problems.

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#2964277 7-Sep-2022 15:51

Guess it all depends on what appeals. I do like the sound of 'comfortable, spacious and well equipped'. Yaris doesn't really appeal, just looks a bit cramped and appears a bit slower. Would be nice if Honda was more engaging and sporty, but if I was interested in that, I'd go for a Swift Sport, which I am quite tempted by, more or less same price as the Honda after the Honda's rebate, but way more lively but somewhat less economical and battery-less.

The Honda also has an interior option that isn't black. OK, it is brown, which doesn't really sound like an improvement, but still.

Course it might never happen, but its good to hear real world experiences...

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#2964283 7-Sep-2022 15:59

I thought the equipment level for the Jazz HEV was about right - it has a good display, Android Auto (wired) plus Carplay (wireless), adaptive cruise control, auto park brake, all the other driver safety assistance tech, heated seats. Electric driver's seat is missing and would be nice. It doesn't have a sun roof but I'm ambivalent about those. Boot is quite small but probably bigger than Yaris, and I'm sure rear leg room is considerably better than most cars of this size. I think for the weekly grocery shop we will be putting some in the boot, and some in the rear footwells with seats flipped up.

I'm expecting about 4l/100km for town use, will see how that goes

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