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  #2921379 1-Jun-2022 12:19
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quickymart:

 

This guy had major issues after getting his Leaf: https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/128804511/owning-an-ev-went-from-a-dream-to-a-nightmare-a-cautionary-tale

 

 

The fact the early models have a really really crappy chemistry is the kind of thing basic research should throw up. 




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  #2921394 1-Jun-2022 13:03
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GV27:

 

The fact the early models have a really really crappy chemistry is the kind of thing basic research should throw up. 

 

 

 

 

It should; I mean, I knew about it (and ours is currently basically unusable until EVs Enhanced release their new battery) but I can definitely understand why it might have been a surprise to someone else, especially if you bought it a few years ago.

 

 





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  #2921401 1-Jun-2022 13:17
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quickymart:

This guy had major issues after getting his Leaf: https://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/128804511/owning-an-ev-went-from-a-dream-to-a-nightmare-a-cautionary-tale


 



Comments are the usual EV bashing. He bought an old first generation leaf in 2018 when the poor battery life was already known ( I bought my 1.2 2014 leaf in 2017 for 30k, and the issue was known even then)

Then had a crash of a renovated vehicle which of course caused insurance issues because that how they make money.

And it was hard to source parts for a vehicle which stopped bring made in that version even before you bought it and hasn't been supported by manufacturer here anyway.

Why if you are a happy EV owner would you want to be associated with such an article which rapidly degenerates into anti EV rabid posts.

But like complaining about problems buying old alpha romero from a local second hand dealer



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  #2921404 1-Jun-2022 13:28
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In early April Stuff was fishing for stories of EV owners experiences. They had a list of the usual media tropes (why did you make the "switch", how painful are long trips etc).

 

No doubt we will see more of this coming out on slow-news days. 

 

I'm sure we'll see some articles about Charge-gate and broken Tesla door handles. Maybe even some exclusive breaking news like how bad a 2012 Leaf turned out to be for driving the length of the country or towing a caravan.  

 

(I shouldn't be so hard on Stuff - at least they're trying to produce content and not just repeating social media).


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  #2922243 3-Jun-2022 13:25
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I am considering buying a new (NZ new) Nissan Leaf. What real life experiences have folks and can anyone answer these questions for me….

1. Would the boot be able to fit a wheel chair folded?
2. Would the boot be able to fit two folded E.Bikes(Wattwheels Scout)?
3. Is the vehicle suitable for fitting towbar for carrying bikes?
4. Thinking about disability. Are these cars easy to get in and out of. Good all around visibility and generally easy to live with?

Any advice would be very gratefully received.

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  #2922248 3-Jun-2022 14:02
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1. possibly

 

2. possibly

 

3. yes

 

4. yes


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  #2922275 3-Jun-2022 14:48
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MikeB4: I am considering buying a new (NZ new) Nissan Leaf. What real life experiences have folks and can anyone answer these questions for me…..

 

Recommend you test drive a Leaf (its free to do!) - that way you will answer 1, 2 & 4 with the greatest certainty for you and your cargo.

 

1 & 2 - coming from a 4 door saloon, and given the size of the Leaf, I found the the boot size disappointing and restrictive, but it may fit your needs. The later the generation, the more boot space, even though the chassis & outer dimensions did not change (less wasted space). 2011-12 have the smallest boot, 13-16 have mid sized and 17 on wards the largest boot. The back seats fold down, but there is a sharp step-up in height between the boot floor and fold-down-seats.  

 

3. Yes, towbars are available for the Leaf in NZ.

 

4. Yes. It got the (pre hip replacement) seal of approval from my 6'2" work colleague. It has a relatively high sitting position (being that the seats are atop of the batteries) and lots of head room and leg room, so they are easy on stiff knees and hips. They look like a small car from afar, but are fairly large once you get up close to them.


 
 
 

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  #2922291 3-Jun-2022 15:12
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MikeB4: I am considering buying a new (NZ new) Nissan Leaf. What real life experiences have folks and can anyone answer these questions for me….

......
4. Thinking about disability. Are these cars easy to get in and out of. Good all around visibility and generally easy to live with?

Any advice would be very gratefully received.
Visibility-wise our Gen 1 Leaf has pitiful reversing lights so can be difficult to park/manoeuvre in the dark. This may have been rectified in later models?





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  #2922306 3-Jun-2022 15:57
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tripper1000:

MikeB4: I am considering buying a new (NZ new) Nissan Leaf. What real life experiences have folks and can anyone answer these questions for me…..


Recommend you test drive a Leaf (its free to do!) - that way you will answer 1, 2 & 4 with the greatest certainty for you and your cargo.


1 & 2 - coming from a 4 door saloon, and given the size of the Leaf, I found the the boot size disappointing and restrictive, but it may fit your needs. The later the generation, the more boot space, even though the chassis & outer dimensions did not change (less wasted space). 2011-12 have the smallest boot, 13-16 have mid sized and 17 on wards the largest boot. The back seats fold down, but there is a sharp step-up in height between the boot floor and fold-down-seats.  


3. Yes, towbars are available for the Leaf in NZ.


4. Yes. It got the (pre hip replacement) seal of approval from my 6'2" work colleague. It has a relatively high sitting position (being that the seats are atop of the batteries) and lots of head room and leg room, so they are easy on stiff knees and hips. They look like a small car from afar, but are fairly large once you get up close to them.



I will test drive but I was looking for real life experience before enduring the dealership and the assault of BS and pestering

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  #2922310 3-Jun-2022 16:16
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One thing with the tow bar.

There are 2 companies (possibly more) who do them. One is rated at 0 kg for towing and 50kg downward pressure

The other will tow at 600kg. Not sure on downward but it should be more than 50.

Guess which one I have. I didn’t know this when we bought the car and asked for the tow bar to be installed.

I can fit a full sized ebike in the back with the seats folded down tho




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  #2922313 3-Jun-2022 16:35
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@MikeB4: In regards to wheel chairs in the boot of the Leaf: I’ve got some experience with this in relation to the gen 1, given we needed to occasionally transport my mother’s chair. Her chair was a very compact attendant-propelled model (Karma Ergo Lite), and even that wasn’t easy to fit in the boot of my wife’s Leaf.

It’s not a huge space and is a bit of an unusual shape; removing the parcel shelf could possibly help, though. With a larger/self-propelled chair I imagine it could be much more of a struggle.

Another consideration is the boot’s lip is very high relative to the boot’s base, so it requires lifting items a lot higher when loading them in; it’s also not possible to slide items in (unlike the completely flat and low entrance to my wagon’s boot).

It looks like the boot of the gen 2 is larger - 475 vs 370 litres - but equally it seems to have the same general shape/proportions (including the high lip).

I have a feeling you’re not going to want to go with this option, but personally I’d buy an MG HS [edit - as pointed out below, I got the model wrong] ZS EV any day over a gen 2 Leaf - in 2022 I’m simply not prepared to put that kind of money into an EV that doesn’t have active battery management (see posts earlier on this page!), and think this is a far bigger issue than the relative merits of a Japanese vs Chinese car. The MG is actually a little shorter (but wider) than the gen 2 Leaf, though the boot is similar size.

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  #2922327 3-Jun-2022 17:02
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@jonathan18 thanks heaps for that. Your insight regarding the boot is very valuable. Given my wife has to get the chair in and out I think the Leaf is not a starter.

The MG interests me a lot and I have been waiting for the new model to get here.

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  #2922359 3-Jun-2022 18:20
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MikeB4: I am considering buying a new (NZ new) Nissan Leaf. What real life experiences have folks and can anyone answer these questions for me….

1. Would the boot be able to fit a wheel chair folded?
2. Would the boot be able to fit two folded E.Bikes(Wattwheels Scout)?
3. Is the vehicle suitable for fitting towbar for carrying bikes?
4. Thinking about disability. Are these cars easy to get in and out of. Good all around visibility and generally easy to live with?

Any advice would be very gratefully received.

 

Pulled a couple of imaged of the current generation leaf (second generation /ZE1) 

 

2020 Nissan Leaf Review - EV for the masses - ForceGT.com

 

At 405L it’s not the largest of the hatchback boots.

 

Nissan Leaf 2020 review: long term | CarsGuide

 


The bose speaker on the floor, is included on the NZ new leaf's, but only on the top spec ex japan leaf's, so if you want rid of that, that could be an option.

As hatchback's go these are pritty big boots, but they are still a hatchback. But much of this space is thanks to it being really deep. Also note the rear door (both the panel and glass) slope forward, so anything tall needs to be stacked away from the rear. 7 banana boxes

 

 

 

Others have answered your questions fairly well, but I would add the following:
- seating potion in the front seats would be good for those with mobility issues. Battery pack under the seat, but not the foot well, gives a tall seating postion.

 

- Floor of back seats is high (some batteries under it), perhaps not ideal.

 

- A pillers (in my older AZE1) are fairly far forward and fat, which does create a small blind spot. good idea to move your head a bit to the side an back on approach to pedestrian crossings, if something could be hidden. 

 

 

 

 

 

More general leaf notes;

 

- The availability of used import leaf's from japan significantly depresses the price of used leaf's, so expect a lot of depreciation if you buy a New one. Objectively just about any other EV would be better from this perspective.

 

- Take a look at price newish used imports on trade-me. Note that the screens can all be converted to english for a few hundred dolar's.

 


Other EV's that are worth a look for your needs:

 

- MG ZS EV. NZ's cheapest pure EV, boot fits 8 banana boxes (by default with level floor, but lid can be removed to make it deep). Note the MG HS EV+ mentioned prior is a plug in hybrid.

 

- Kia E-niro (currently on run out) - longer range and liquid cooled battery, also 8 banana boxes.

 

- Kia EV6, either entry, or Long range 2wd. Big Car. Does have more sedan like seating position. Long and wide, but low boot (also 8 banana boxes)

- Ioniq 5 Entry. Big car, same platform as the above, but more boxy, and with a sliding rear seat, so 11 banana boxes fit in the boot.

 


The last three will cost more money, but (especially the EV6 / Ioniq 5) will hold value better than a leaf.

Left field option if you have shorter range needs: e-nv200 5 seat coach. Basically a leaf with a little van body on it. Similar foot print to a leaf. As you your expect, the boot is van like. Not available new in NZ, but available used. mostly 24kWh battery. None for sale at the moment, but I think there are the odd 40kWh one.

 

Nissan e-NV200 (2015) - pictures, information & specs

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/nissan/e-nv200/listing/3610151829



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  #2922386 3-Jun-2022 18:33
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e-NV200 has better battery cooling than a leaf too.


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  #2922488 3-Jun-2022 23:07
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jonathan18: ... Another consideration is the boot’s lip is very high relative to the boot’s base, so it requires lifting items a lot higher when loading them in; it’s also not possible to slide items in (unlike the completely flat and low entrance to my wagon’s boot).
It looks like the boot of the gen 2 is larger - 475 vs 370 litres - but equally it seems to have the same general shape/proportions (including the high lip).  ...

 

Scott3: Pulled a couple of imaged of the current generation leaf (second generation /ZE1)
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Left field option if you have shorter range needs: e-nv200 5 seat coach.

 

RunningMan: e-NV200 has better battery cooling than a leaf too.

 

Yeah, I have to agree with jonathan18's assessment about the high lip of the boot. You have to lift the items out, you can't slide them. That's where Scott3 is correct, the e-NV200 van might be an option is you are not very concerned about the range. And Runningman is spot on with the better cooling.

 

 

 

As to boot size, I've got the Gen2 / Gen1.2 model with the boot on the right in the pictures below. I've managed to fit 5 suitcases into the space with the back seats upright. I know that doesn't help with a wheelchair, but it does go to show how much difference the extra 105Litres can make.

 

Gen 1 on the left, Gen 2 / Gen 1.2 on the right

 

https://samholford.github.io/leafguide/img/boot-g1.jpghttps://samholford.github.io/leafguide/img/boot-g2.jpg

 

Images taken from Sam's excellent Leaf Guide

 

 





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