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Obraik
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  #2833677 16-Dec-2021 20:36
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The night mode you found is the only dark mode. I thought I wanted a dark mode too, but after having changed manually to night mode in the day I realised that it doesn't really work well for a screen that can be in direct sunlight and difficult to see. It will switch to dark mode when it's dark, tho.

It sounds like your test vehicle had the FSD package as that includes a feature where it will chime when the light turns green and you don't go.

I personally haven't got much experience with blind spot monitoring systems...my Model 3 is my first vehicle to have it. I do find that the visualisation can be a bit too zoomed in sometimes that you can't see all cars around you on the screen. However, if you pinch to zoom on that section of the screen you will see more vehicles, but obviously you don't want to that while trying to focus on changing lanes.

One tap down on the gear stalk activates TACC. A second tap down will turn on lane assist, or as Tesla calls it, Autopilot.

You don't have direct access to your phones assistant from the cars controls. But at the same time, you don't necessarily need it, or at least I haven't. You can turn on message sync on your phone and the car will display new messages you receive and you can then use the cars own voice assistant to reply. You can also initiate a new message from the cars voice assistant. For whatever reason, Tesla has decided that the Model 3 & Y can only answer calls by the touch screen - only the S & X can answer calls with the scroll wheels on the wheel.

The only time I use my key car is to give it to someone else who is driving my car. I only use my phone key as it's completey touchless that way (but you should keep a key card on you incase something happens to your phone).




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  #2833692 16-Dec-2021 21:38
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Thanks for clearing those up for me.

 

Shame about the traffic light thing being in FSD. I’m not paying $11000 to get that.





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  #2833706 16-Dec-2021 22:02
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Yeah I don't recommend it right now here in New Zealand. It's quite possible they will bring back what is called "Enhanced AutoPilot" as an add on package which is $5700 which gives you all the same features that is currently available with FSD (except the chime on green function and reacting to traffic lights while on autopilot). This includes:

 

  • Changing lanes while on Autopilot without having to disengage - just turn on the indicator for where you want to go and it will change to that lane
  • Navigate on Autopilot - when you have navigation active, when you're on the motorway it will take on ramps, off ramps change lanes as required and overtake slower vehicles all on its own. It's not quite as refined as it is in the US, especially outside of Auckland (it tends to start slowing down on the motorway rather than on the off ramp) but it's kinda cool and semi-FSD
  • "Dumb Summon" - From your phone you can tell the car to move back or forward and it will do so, taking into account obstacles in in behind or in front. It's very useful if someone parks too close to you or there's a tight parking spot that everyone is avoiding because they can't get out otherwise
  • "Dumb autopark" - It's a bit like the above but activated from the car. You park directly in front of the space you want to park in, tap the direction the car should move from the cars screen then get out and shut the door and it will park itself perfectly in the park
  • Smart Summon - From the app on your phone, within 60m of the car you can drop a pin on the map and the car will navigate the car park to get to you. This is only really useful in quiet car parks as it's very beta and somewhat anti-social towards other drivers in car parks (it doesn't care about which side of the alleys it should drive in and it will cut through between parks).
  • Autopark - For perpendicular parking spaces, if the car sees an empty marked parking spot it will offer to park itself there using its cameras. For parallel parks, if there is an empty space between two cars then it will offer to park there using its ultrasonic sensors (this parking type hasn't been upgraded to be vision based yet).

When they brought it back for a limited time last year I chose to but it and I do use most of those features everyday and I feel that it's worth the $5700 - not so much $11k. The good thing is that if they do bring it back and you buy it, that cost is deducted from the upgrade to FSD if you choose to buy that in the future.





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  #2833722 17-Dec-2021 06:25
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It’s shame you can’t do a “pick’n mix” of features you would like activated. It is only software after all. I would happily rent the additional features for a couple of months to see how much they were used. The plus side is adding those features post purchase at least keeps the cost below the threshold. If only they could do that with the Long Range to bring it below $80k. Maybe by temporarily ‘deactivating’ the front motor or reducing the battery ‘capacity’ in the software (or supplying the wheels or rear seat as an aftermarket accessory ;-D) to have the vehicle come in at, oh I don’t know, $79995 on road.

 

Someone else having control over whether your car works or not, even for things like which chargers you can use, provides a small amount of discomfort. But I guess that invades many areas of our lives these days. Not that I’m suggesting Tesla would be like that, but I remember when Google’s motto was “Don’t be evil”.

 

My wife thinks the Model 3 is ugly (I don’t). So I don’t see any point in waiting for the Y because it looks like the product of a one night stand between a Model 3 and a Model X. At least the BMW I tried was a PHEV, so all is not lost for EVangelists.





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  #2833854 17-Dec-2021 09:36
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Eventually the monthly subscription option for the FSD package will make its way to NZ. It's available in the US at the moment but they haven't rolled that out to other markets yet.

 

FWIW, my partner also thought the front of the Model 3 wasn't a great looker, but after two years of owning it has since come around to its looks (or at least, doesn't bring it up anymore 😅)





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  #2833861 17-Dec-2021 09:56
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I'm not holding my breath for true level 4 or 5 self-driving within the economic life of even a brand new Model 3 so I'm happy for that money to stay in my pocket until such time as it arrives and then I'll consider it. Might be something I would buy on whatever replaces the Model 3 in what I hope to be a long time from now. I think having the speedometer on a screen next to me instead of just below eye level on the dash will take some getting used to but for the other features - well, I've only had a reversing camera since I bought the Leaf so I won't miss not having a little orange light on the wing mirror! The last two cars we had prior to the Leaf were old enough to vote before they finally limped their last trip to the wreckers.





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  #2834838 17-Dec-2021 10:51
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SaltyNZ:

 

I'm not holding my breath for true level 4 or 5 self-driving within the economic life of even a brand new Model 3 so I'm happy for that money to stay in my pocket until such time as it arrives and then I'll consider it. Might be something I would buy on whatever replaces the Model 3 in what I hope to be a long time from now. I think having the speedometer on a screen next to me instead of just below eye level on the dash will take some getting used to but for the other features - well, I've only had a reversing camera since I bought the Leaf so I won't miss not having a little orange light on the wing mirror! The last two cars we had prior to the Leaf were old enough to vote before they finally limped their last trip to the wreckers.

 

 

Yeah, it's for this reason I recommend Enhanced Autopilot (if it ever comes back to NZ), the features that come with it I feel are worth the price. 

 

As for the speedo, I think you'll get used to it a lot quicker than you think you will. I'm still of the opinion that you have a better view of the road glancing to the left vs glancing downward.





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  #2834936 17-Dec-2021 13:46
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Obraik:

 

As for the speedo, I think you'll get used to it a lot quicker than you think you will. I'm still of the opinion that you have a better view of the road glancing to the left vs glancing downward.

 

 

I was comfortable with it after an hour’s test drive, which surprised me. Still not as good as a HUD though.





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  #2834985 17-Dec-2021 15:45
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Dingbatt:

 

Obraik:

 

As for the speedo, I think you'll get used to it a lot quicker than you think you will. I'm still of the opinion that you have a better view of the road glancing to the left vs glancing downward.

 

 

I was comfortable with it after an hour’s test drive, which surprised me. Still not as good as a HUD though.

 

 

Wondering why with all the other tech on this vehicle  there is no HUD.  I would miss mine on my Mazda if the next car didn't have one. 





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  #2834987 17-Dec-2021 15:53
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The only experience I've had with a HUD is on my partners 2019 work Mazda. I personally don't see its worth and when I'm wearing my polarised sunglasses it's difficult to see





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  #2835005 17-Dec-2021 17:08
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I don’t use polarised sunglasses and HUDs with speed, road sign limit and navigation symbols are invaluable in busy environments. The BMW also had basic media/caller info and something I hadn’t seen from anyone else in that it displayed Google navigation rather than the oem nav if you were using Android Auto. I know Tesla doesn’t use Apple CarPlay or Android Auto but integrating its pretty impressive nav presentation wouldn’t be too hard.

 

Musk doesn’t want HUDs in his vehicles. I believe it is because the push is towards autonomy, so why would you need to have info in your field of view if you’re not looking outside? It’s a shame because the layout of the 3/Y would lend itself to a projector on the dash if it was allowed to talk to the car’s system.

 

Chip shortages and other supply ‘difficulties’ mean lots of manufacturers are unable to offer things like HUDs, wireless charging and even lumbar support! Tesla seems unaffected.





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  #2835031 17-Dec-2021 18:04
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The lack of Android auto would annoy me; I still haven’t found any substitute for the traffic info and quick accurate destination searching


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  #2835085 17-Dec-2021 21:04
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shk292:

 

The lack of Android auto would annoy me; I still haven’t found any substitute for the traffic info and quick accurate destination searching

 

 

The Tesla navigation isn't too bad, Google Maps and some other layer for route planning .. plus you can always "share" destinations to the car from apps on your phone (pick your destination and the share it to Tesla to plot a route), the car gets info about heavy traffic same as Google maps does on your phone with big red lines all over Auckland no matter the day :-)

 

 


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  #2835154 18-Dec-2021 06:21
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I certainly had no problems with the nav in the Model 3. I bristle at having to pay hundreds for car nav map updates when there is a free* alternative. So as long as Tesla nav doesn’t move to a subscription model then it is adequate. 

 

To me the advantage of Android Auto is access to things like Spotify and iHeartRadio and GAssistant. Tesla’s OS seems to have those covered. It was difficult to assess properly in a limited test drive.

 

I was watching some disturbing info on impending price rises for the 3, and for the Y before it even arrives here.

 

 

 

*Google is mining your movement data. Very little these days is without cost.





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  #2835371 19-Dec-2021 09:28
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Without going back through 27 pages, has anyone been brave enough to go with the white interior? It would seem, having watched multiple videos, that you are setting yourself up for heartache if your Model 3 is your pride and joy. Looks great new, but after a couple of years……





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