Petrol prices getting close to last year's record. What about your city or town?

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#2883485 9-Mar-2022 09:41

Dingbatt:

How do you know RUCs won’t substantially contribute to the cost of running an EV?

Well duh we know what RUCs are now, its not rocket science.

As for the rest what are you smoking, we'll have more renewable in the future (considering we're already at what 85%) , peak and off peak isnt going anywhere and if anything with more renewable we'll have more spare off peak power.

PsychoSmiley

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#2883486 9-Mar-2022 09:44

RobDickinson:

Must be $9k or more? That could finance a model 3 RWD over 7 years on its own

And what would be in the added insurance overhead on that? The great thing about a POS 2001 car is that you can happily have third party insurance and know that if situations conspire, getting another car in a pinch isn't hard at a few $k. I wouldn't be happy dipping in to saving on that, but eh. Upgrading to a meagre $13k new old car adds a new insurance overhead in too that I need to factor in.

I know the value of a EV. I'd love one, but I maintain a careful balance with our finances. We could work one but any comfortable (but small) buffer I build now would be gone and I'd be dancing on a very unstable financial precipice to facilitate.

EDIT: The only saving grace of these absurd petrol prices currently is this damn endemic going on. As long as it's bonkers I WFH and I'm not having to fuel up at even a 1/4 of the frequency.

RobDickinson

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#2883487 9-Mar-2022 09:46

Go to AMP and get a quote for one.

evnafets

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#2883492 9-Mar-2022 09:57

Obraik:

wratterus:

This has probably already been mentioned somewhere in this thread.... but how is our government so out of touch with reality? It's like they are operating in an alternate universe somehow, where they are beholden to only Greta.

Stopping all new oil exploration, closing our refinery, making us totally reliant on oil from overseas....I believe we could be fully self sufficient in that regard if they didn't have their heads so far up their ..... that they could actually see & reason like normal humans. Clean and green yada yada yada, the need for oil isn't going away anytime soon. Oh, no problem, we'll just import it, and coal too, that's much better for the environment, of course. 😡

I remember National saying they would reverse that ban - not sure if that is still the case, but with Marsden Point now being closed, what's even the point?

It just boggles the mind. The Green party (and seemingly Labour) are totally ....ing this country and there doesn't seem to be any end to it. Makes my blood boil just thinking about it.

Anyway. Sorry about that. Rant over haha. 😑

How is it the governments fault that a private entity decided to shut down their business? How is it the governments fault that there's a war brewing in Europe that is spiking fuel costs internationally? The USA for example has subsidised fuel at the pump and in many places their fuel is the same price as ours now.

It isn't the government's fault that these events have happened.

It is arguably partly the governments fault that it is affecting us this much, because it has been government policy that has been instrumental in making us dependent on the rest of the world.

But there are other industries in NZ - e.g. forestry/timber/building supplies which are just as fubared right now because for years we have been selling our logs and importing in finished goods rather than processing them in NZ. Saw mills have largely become a thing of the past. Hence a lack of building supplies in the supply chain right now. That has been a long running bugbear.

It's a bit of a catch-22. It is expensive and wasteful to be self-sufficient as a country in a global marketplace with free trade.
But then if something disrupts that marketplace and trade...

RobDickinson

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#2883503 9-Mar-2022 10:12

We had a national gov for what a decade who didnt shift to more renewable power or more efficient cars.

Are you suggesting Labour nationalise our oil mining and refining?

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#2883504 9-Mar-2022 10:12

RobDickinson:

Well duh we know what RUCs are now, its not rocket science.

As for the rest what are you smoking, we'll have more renewable in the future (considering we're already at what 85%) , peak and off peak isnt going anywhere and if anything with more renewable we'll have more spare off peak power.

Once again, absolute assertions. I didn’t realise you were a a visitor from the future.

I don’t smoke anything. Ad hominem much?

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Obraik

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#2883532 9-Mar-2022 11:00

Dingbatt:

You make such sweeping statements in absolute terms.

How do you know RUCs won’t substantially contribute to the cost of running an EV? Money for roads has to come from somewhere. Victoria has already introduced a per km levy on EVs. If you are currently paying virtually nothing to run your EV then RUCs may be substantial.

Likewise your comment about power plans. At the moment there are discounts for off peak charging of EVs in some plans. This is generally at night when the sun isn’t shining and most people have their vehicles at home. But once there are hundreds (or thousands) of EVs plugging in for those rates, sucking between 2 and 7kW each out of the grid, how long will it be before the period is no longer off-peak and normal rates will apply? On windless nights in the middle of a dry year we burn (dirty) Indonesian coal to meet energy needs. All well and good to say switch to solar, but if the Sun isn’t shining, how do you charge your EV? Not everybody has the luxury of being retired and sitting at home during the day. So you add batteries to capture the energy and all of a sudden you are up to a $30K investment.

Its easy for someone who dropped $100K on an EV to assume everyone else can just magic up the funds.

RUC (when it eventually comes in 2024) will add to the running cost of an EV but even before the current petrol price rises, RUC + the cost of electricity at home was still cheaper than the petrol/diesel equivalent. The exception to that could be hybrids. The hybrid quandary is why the RUC exemption was pushed out beyond the original 2021 expiry while they come up with a better way to do RUC so everyone pays their fair share. I suspect RUC will be removed from the pump and everyone will pay a distance based RUC fee like diesel vehicles do today.

I'm not a power economy expert but I don't see power rates rising substantially, beyond how they already fluctuate - as long as grid capacity keeps up. Given that there are many gigawatts worth of power plants already consented and waiting on demand (most of it renewable too), I don't see this being an issue. Solar will become even more useful to the grid once they start and finish the pumped hydro project(s).

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#2883727 9-Mar-2022 13:04

RobDickinson:
mudguard: Let's be honest, EV owners will have a nice run until RUCs are determined, or power companies start changing their pricing (if it were technically possible) when an EV gets plugged in at home.
The drop from petrol excise will be obtained from somewhere.
And this is from someone who drives 30-40,000kms work kms per year. I get a per km reimbursement but I wouldn't want something really thirsty.

RUC wont make any substantial difference to the cost of running an ev nor to the price disparity between ev and fossil cars. RUC will get a major overhaul. Until then we can ignore it.

Might surprise you but we already have EV specific power plans that give away free power. Ultimately if they put the price up too much you just switch to solar and make it at home. One of the benefits of EVs is you can easily source electricity from many companies or make it yourself.

Anyone driving 30-40,000km a year should be looking at EVs already.

My dilemma is range and the fact I stay in four different motels/hotels each week. I drive 500km stints three times a month and 1500km I a week. I'd have to plan ruthlessly and commit to a full fast charge perhaps once a day.
Believe me I've been looking at the numbers.

Obraik

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#2883728 9-Mar-2022 13:07

mudguard:

My dilemma is range and the fact I stay in four different motels/hotels each week. I drive 500km stints three times a month and 1500km I a week. I'd have to plan ruthlessly and commit to a full fast charge perhaps once a day.
Believe me I've been looking at the numbers.

This probably is beyond the topic of this thread...but, that's very doable with many of the long range EVs available now. With many hotels/motels having EV chargers now, the car can be ready to go again the next morning while you sleep - most of those hotels with chargers don't even charge extra for this.

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#2883733 9-Mar-2022 13:17

I'm noting our local petrol stations seem to be doing up around 6c/L daily, dare I suggest this but how likely is it we could see $4/L? What breaks first with prices that high?

RobDickinson

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#2883734 9-Mar-2022 13:18

mudguard:

My dilemma is range and the fact I stay in four different motels/hotels each week. I drive 500km stints three times a month and 1500km I a week. I'd have to plan ruthlessly and commit to a full fast charge perhaps once a day.
Believe me I've been looking at the numbers.

Thats potentially not too hard these days but yea worth shifting to the Ev thread

GV27

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#2883735 9-Mar-2022 13:19

Obraik:

This probably is beyond the topic of this thread...but, that's very doable with many of the long range EVs available now. With many hotels/motels having EV chargers now, the car can be ready to go again the next morning while you sleep - most of those hotels with chargers don't even charge extra for this.

Hell a bunch of them have Tesla destination chargers for this exact reason, to target this exact type of overnight stay. I think they're free too?

RobDickinson

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#2883737 9-Mar-2022 13:20

Yep.

Obraik

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#2883744 9-Mar-2022 13:34

DjShadow:

I'm noting our local petrol stations seem to be doing up around 6c/L daily, dare I suggest this but how likely is it we could see $4/L? What breaks first with prices that high?

If Europe and the US go ahead with banning Russia oil then yeah, it's quite possible. And to think that analysts were predicting we might hit $3/L by the end of this year...

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#2883749 9-Mar-2022 14:02

It was signed off for the US this morning....
They're little over 4$/gal

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