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#2680629 25-Mar-2021 19:34

Batman:

i've been looking at this over and over again.

"hit by a strong gust of wind"

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It's actually quite likely, windage on a ship that size is massive, the bow may not have had to move far, hit ground, then the momentum would have driven it to where it's firmly stuck, the stern swinging around.

The captain of the vessel is possibly not ultimately the most culpable, there would have been a Suez Canal pilot in charge, maybe not actually hands on the controls, but responsible for navigating the ship.

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#2680732 25-Mar-2021 21:27

Batman:
i've been looking at this over and over again.

"hit by a strong gust of wind"

Well it worked for Biden...

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#2680748 25-Mar-2021 22:08

Batman:

i've been looking at this over and over again.

"hit by a strong gust of wind"

Tui ad ...

Might be downplaying is a bit, but think more a sandstorm with gale force winds. Seems like the loss of viability may have been a bigger factor than the boat being physically blown off course. But of course 40 knots of wind does have a big impact on any vessel.

It was “mainly due to the lack of visibility due to the weather conditions when winds reached 40 knots, which affected the control” of the ship, the SCA [Suez Canal Authority] said in a statement.

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#2680811 25-Mar-2021 23:07

You are all wrong: QAnon peddles latest conspiracy theory beyond parody linking Hillary Clinton to Suez ship (yahoo.com)

The latest wild conspiracy theory from followers of QAnon claims that the cargo ship stuck in the Suez Canal is being used by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for child sex trafficking.

Some also claim that Ever Given ran aground in Egypt as part of a rescue mission and that the children will be freed live on camera, proving their theory correct.

Newsweek reports that conspiracy theorists arrived at this bizarre conclusion via the name of the vessel’s Taiwan-based operator — Evergreen Marine Corporation — pointing out that Ms Clinton’s Secret Service codename as first lady during her husband’s presidency was “Evergreen”.

Further to that, the call sign for the ship is H3RC, similar to Ms Clinton’s initials when campaigning in 2016 when she includes her original last name — Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The theory also somehow manages to include the plot of the movie The Sum of All Fears (relating to the ship's destination Rotterdam being twinned with Baltimore), the fact that Monday was World Water Day, and (predictably) China.

Seriously, the world seems to have an overflow of stupid.

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#2680838 26-Mar-2021 06:34

There is little hope left for humanity I'm afraid. Also feel sorry for the coffee I threw up onto the carpet.

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#2680841 26-Mar-2021 07:02

Batman:

i've been looking at this over and over again.

"hit by a strong gust of wind"

Tui ad ...

Sorry but that's far from a correct statement, as mentioned windage on a ship like that is huge, and given it had no steerage-way and power, and was likely still moving forward when it happened it would be quiet easy for even a small wind to blow it off course. given the tight constraints in the canal there isnt much room for error.

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#2680913 26-Mar-2021 09:54

An article I read says that power outages on board ships are common to the point where they turn on a backup electrical generator as a routine measure to ensure the rudder keeps working while running through the Suez canal. That's just stunning. I mean sure I can understand them only have one office-block-sized engine installed but the fact that the rest of the control and power system isn't always 100% redundant is boggling. I mean ... imagine what might happen if you lost steering while running the Suez canal. O_o

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#2680929 26-Mar-2021 10:24

SaltyNZ:

An article I read says that power outages on board ships are common to the point where they turn on a backup electrical generator as a routine measure to ensure the rudder keeps working while running through the Suez canal. That's just stunning. I mean sure I can understand them only have one office-block-sized engine installed but the fact that the rest of the control and power system isn't always 100% redundant is boggling. I mean ... imagine what might happen if you lost steering while running the Suez canal. O_o

FIL is a retired 2nd engineer, says blackouts happened all the time, on all ships he's worked on. It's highly unlikely they were sailing with a faulty backup generator, much more likely some bright spark has decided to do maintenance work on it while going through the Suez, with a predictable outcome.

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#2680948 26-Mar-2021 10:49

I feel genuinely sorry for cargo brokers and other shipping agents who've had their entire schedule shot to pieces due to this. It's seriously going to disrupt shipping schedules world-wide for weeks, if not months.

My wifes coworker was a cargo broker in another lifetime and provided some insight over a work dinner one evening as how to it all works. He could have talked to hours trying to explain and describe how the system works.

I've also had the pleasure of chatting with the Lyttelton port container management team about how time sensitive everything is - getting shipping containers in at X and placing them in Y in order to minimise the downtime in finding and loading the ships that come through is an incredibly complicated business.

This is a seriously large pucker-moment which is going to distrupt cargo for a long time world-wide.

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#2680996 26-Mar-2021 12:23

It's still stuck in the same spot, 5 tugs around it, no dredges (assuming they'd have transponders).

There are "a few boats" waiting at both ends:

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#2681000 26-Mar-2021 12:37

networkn:

MikeB4:

This might do it😄

Not unless you want to cut that boat into small pieces to remove it from the canal.

@networkn It wasn't a serious suggestion. It would probably finish the demolition job Obelix started on the Sphinx

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2681044 26-Mar-2021 13:25

Kookoo:
FIL is a retired 2nd engineer, says blackouts happened all the time, on all ships he's worked on. It's highly unlikely they were sailing with a faulty backup generator, much more likely some bright spark has decided to do maintenance work on it while going through the Suez, with a predictable outcome.

Some of the stories mentioned that this is the first time this has happened in the canal's 140-year history, which implies that whatever caused it was quite extraordinary/unusual, not some run-of-the-mill accident.

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#2681048 26-Mar-2021 13:27

MikeB4:
@networkn It wasn't a serious suggestion. It would probably finish the demolition job Obelix started on the Sphinx

Or it could end up like poor Lucy in the South Sudan:

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#2681056 26-Mar-2021 13:36

neb:

Some of the stories mentioned that this is the first time this has happened in the canal's 140-year history, which implies that whatever caused it was quite extraordinary/unusual, not some run-of-the-mill accident.

It appears it was an accident, a combination of low visibility and windage.. which likely means some human error. Maybe the two pilots were taking a nap..

The Panama-flagged, 400 metre ultra-large box ship Ever Given was heading for Rotterdam, ship 5 in a northbound convoy, when a squall of 55 knots hit 7:45am Tuesday morning.

Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement (India) - the integrated maritime solutions provider who's 25 crew members/engineers were operating the ship has “ruled out any mechanical or engine failure as a cause of the grounding”.

It also looks as though it's going to be expensive..

Japanese shipowner Shoei Kisen who leases the ship to Evergreen Marine has said the hull insurer of the group is MS&AD Insurance Group while the liability insurer is UK P&I Club.

The Suez Canal Authority (SCA) said that nine tugs were working to move the vessel, with 3 dredges including a specialised 2,000 m3/hr suction dredger on the port side of the vessel’s bow.

Boskalis subsidiary SMIT salvage is removing as much fuel & ballast as they can without risking stability, hoping to shift her on Spring Tides over the weekend and Monday.

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#2681061 26-Mar-2021 13:40

neb:
Batman:
i've been looking at this over and over again.

"hit by a strong gust of wind"

Well it worked for Biden...

Until today it's still a Tui ad for me. This canal has been around for a while, and so have the same and the wind.

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