We can reduce the road toll by copying Sweden

How Sweden became the EU's road safety champion

Azzura:

 

We can reduce the road toll by copying Sweden

 

 

 

How Sweden became the EU's road safety champion

 

Technically we have.  WK/NZTA have a policy called the 'Road to Zero' which is a funded activity looking to reduce the amount of DSIs on the network.  Auckland Transport also has its own Vision Zero policy and design approaches (I know as I wrote the design guidance and how its implemented as well as operate the compliance teams that design review matters) which attempts to do the same.  The issue is that the public hasn't been taken on this journey by the Government/MoT/WK and so AT gets all the complaints within the region despite our following of the national approach.

Only when many people stop thinking that the roads are all about them and how quick they can get to their destination can meaningful progress actually be made to a safe system that is tolerant of human errors but only as long as the funding matches the deterioation of the transport network to a reasonable degree so that 'it was the road/intersection' concerns are reduced and so that we can provide the safe space for all our users.

Geektastic: Despite the specific point of this thread I'd personally like to see us moving towards professional driving instruction being a requirement for Learners before they can sit a test. Learning from your parents is not generally a road to success.

Heh all threads go off track eventually :-) but yes I agree, as a driver trained in the UK you cannot sit your test without a minimum number of professional lessons, mine was 10 before I took mine.  Ensures that you have minimum level of competence before you adopt all the bad habits. 

All this talk about chipseal being bad .. it's luxury around here!  Luxury!!!!  :-)

Mark:

 

All this talk about chipseal being bad .. it's luxury around here!  Luxury!!!!  :-)

 

Yup - to save money rebuilding our local road, the Far North District Council (in a clever sleight of hand) certified red mud as 'gravel'..
After realising what what was going on locals had to block the road to prevent further truckloads of mud being delivered and laid as a road surface.

In spite of the mud being pronounced to be gravel by both the councils' infrastructure and asset manager and the North Road Transport Alliance, a heavy shower of rain proved otherwise, the roads 'gravel' surface dissolving, running into roadside drains and then into the ocean.

The Council has suspended application of new "gravel" while enquiries are made..

Mark:

All this talk about chipseal being bad .. it's luxury around here!  Luxury!!!!  :-)

 

Benoire:

Geektastic: Despite the specific point of this thread I'd personally like to see us moving towards professional driving instruction being a requirement for Learners before they can sit a test. Learning from your parents is not generally a road to success.

Heh all threads go off track eventually :-) but yes I agree, as a driver trained in the UK you cannot sit your test without a minimum number of professional lessons, mine was 10 before I took mine.  Ensures that you have minimum level of competence before you adopt all the bad habits. 

I think it's a factor.  Potholes and bumpy road surfaces (often not sign-posted) can contribute to a car to losing control.  Patches of gravel creeping into the marked lane area on corners, non sign posted uneven surfaces, bridges on corners with steep transition from the road.  Regular danger features that I see driving on primary and secondary roads.

I wonder if a LIDAR could be used to survey roads, rather than having to stop traffic for hours and bust out the theodolites.

MikeAqua:

 

I think it's a factor.  Potholes and bumpy road surfaces (often not sign-posted) can contribute to a car to losing control.  Patches of gravel creeping into the marked lane area on corners, non sign posted uneven surfaces, bridges on corners with steep transition from the road.  Regular danger features that I see driving on primary and secondary roads.

 

I wonder if a LIDAR could be used to survey roads, rather than having to stop traffic for hours and bust out the theodolites.

 

Lidar is not accurate enough for our needs.  We generally look down at +/- 5mm at worse for level data.  

Benoire:

 

Lidar is not accurate enough for our needs.  We generally look down at +/- 5mm at worse for level data.  

 

Seems like false precision, the chips looks bigger than that.

MikeAqua:

 

Benoire:

 

Lidar is not accurate enough for our needs.  We generally look down at +/- 5mm at worse for level data.  

 

 

Seems like false precision, the chips looks bigger than that.

 

We don't measure the chips, we're looking at the levels of the surface and generally its placed on the surface layer so top of AC or top of the bitumen binder that the road chip is pressed into.  We also pick up levels across the section of the road reserve e.g. top of kerb, invert of channel, edge of channel etc. and classical Lidar is not good at that level of detail.  3D scanning via robotic total station does work but that has limited range and takes a long time so is not useful for long 'flat' environments such as roads.

afe66: Never met a nz driver who didn't describe themselves as an above average driver.