we now have another road with 110 km/h limit

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mattwnz

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#2942871 16-Jul-2022 14:51

Scott3:

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Is the new section a toll road? Google maps suggests it is. Heading back from Taupo tomorrow so will get to try it out.

No.

Only three toll roads in NZ at the moment.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roads-and-rail/toll-roads/toll-road-information/where-the-toll-roads-are/

Seems to be a growing trend, but not a good one. It is like a two tier society where if you want to drive on a safer quicker road, you have to pay. IMO it is odd that motorbikes pay the same as a car, even though they usually can only carry one person, and create less wear on roads than cars., and produce less pollution.

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#2942924 16-Jul-2022 15:14

mattwnz:

Seems to be a growing trend, but not a good one. It is like a two tier society where if you want to drive on a safer quicker road, you have to pay. IMO it is odd that motorbikes pay the same as a car, even though they usually can only carry one person, and create less wear on roads than cars., and produce less pollution.

i doubt its a growing trend, but its something i dislike because its so inefficient. something like 3/4 of the revenue goes to collecting the revenue, which is just madness.

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#2942934 16-Jul-2022 15:42

tweake:

i doubt its a growing trend, but its something i dislike because its so inefficient. something like 3/4 of the revenue goes to collecting the revenue, which is just madness.

Then they will just put the prices up to cover it. Someone must be making a lot of money out of collecting tolls.

There was some talk of Transmission Gully becoming an additional toll road before it opened, and I wonder how many other planned new roads are planned to be tolled in the future.

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#2942939 16-Jul-2022 15:53

yes, the company that manages the tolls is no doubt making good money out of it.

i do hope no more toll roads are done. there was some talk of it it with Penlink (correction thats looking highly likely) and a few others.

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#2942944 16-Jul-2022 16:29

not sure why this is news, people don't follow the speed limits anyways :D

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#2942954 16-Jul-2022 17:33

I am surprised they have not made Transmission Gully to Peka Peka Peka 110km/h unless they are waiting for the Otaki section to be completed.

Also I hope people driving the completed Waikato expressway remember to take breaks, if you are traveling north on Sh1 then Tirau is the last 50km/h zone you go through with the next one being Warkworth

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#2942956 16-Jul-2022 17:40

can't wait until warkworth motorway is finished. they are getting close.

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#2942969 16-Jul-2022 18:56

Dingbatt:

I will be interested to see how much difference the extra 10km/h for a sustained period makes to the car’s energy consumption.

I’m assuming the road will actually open a week before the date stated for 110km/h, with a reduced speed limit to allow the chipseal to settle. Like they did for Transmission Gully.

Drag squares with speed, so a decent increase in fuel consumption.

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#2943066 17-Jul-2022 10:32

I can't believe we're INCREASING speed limits here and Europe is having record temperatures due to climate change, not to mention all the wild weather we've had in new zealand in the past couple of years. one in one hundred year rains? more like once every year. This is madness. We should be reducing them to 90 to reduce our energy consumption and installing copious speed cameras to enforce it like in Europe. Not even sorry about that.

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#2943074 17-Jul-2022 11:08

hamish225:

I can't believe we're INCREASING speed limits here and Europe is having record temperatures due to climate change, not to mention all the wild weather we've had in new zealand in the past couple of years. one in one hundred year rains? more like once every year. This is madness. We should be reducing them to 90 to reduce our energy consumption and installing copious speed cameras to enforce it like in Europe. Not even sorry about that.

I have to wonder how much open road driving you do.

I'd say it's a fair bet that these new dual carriage way roads with a 110 kph speed limit actually reduce carbon emissions compared to the 100 kph single carriageway roads they replace. I know my car is way more fuel efficient when cruising with the cruise control on at 100 to 110 (which is easy to do on a dual carriageway road) than it is when driving on a single carriageway road where speed is invariably increasing and decreasing.

If you wish to live by your convictions there is nothing to stop you driving at 90 on these new roads without creating a nuisance to other drivers.

When you think about it slowing to 90 as you suggest is really just window dressing. Making a meaningful difference requires a much more significant change than applying a 90 kph speed limit..

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#2943079 17-Jul-2022 11:21

Technofreak:

I'd say it's a fair bet that these new dual carriage way roads with a 110 kph speed limit actually reduce carbon emissions compared to the 100 kph single carriageway roads they replace.

when the northern motorway tolled road opened, truckies where originally told not to use it (due to cost). then they realized they used less fuel and where quicker by using the toll road. the savings in fuel more than outweighed the cost of the toll. savings in fuel means less emissions.

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#2943153 17-Jul-2022 13:56

is the increase in emissions from driving 10kph faster more than the emissions from driving for 20 mins more?

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#2943159 17-Jul-2022 14:01

Jase2985:

is the increase in emissions from driving 10kph faster more than the emissions from driving for 20 mins more?

By definition, yes, because fuel consumption is measured relative to distance travelled.

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#2943160 17-Jul-2022 14:01

Jase2985:

is the increase in emissions from driving 10kph faster more than the emissions from driving for 20 mins more?

its not just time, but also hills you have to climb and corners you accelerate back up to speed from.

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#2943168 17-Jul-2022 14:45

DjShadow:

I am surprised they have not made Transmission Gully to Peka Peka Peka 110km/h unless they are waiting for the Otaki section to be completed.

There was a speed review / consultation before the transmission gully opened. As part of the summary, (https://nzta.govt.nz/assets/projects/wellington-network-speed-consultation/wellington-network-speed-consultation-summary-dec-2021.pdf) it was stated by Waka Kotahi.

"The maximum speed limit being considered in
this consultation is 100km/h. A 110km/h speed
limit for sections of the Wellington Northern
corridor (Transmission Gully motorway, Mackays
to Peka Peka Expressway, Peka Peka to Ōtaki
Expressway) may be considered after the PP2Ō
Expressway has opened to traffic."

Given that they added millions to the cost of transmission gully to make it 110km/h suitable (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/transmission-gully-never-likely-to-hit-initial-cost-estimates-according-to-review/LJJB3NXUZWLCXRUKP2YDX7LSA4/), it would be very annonying for it not to increase once the PP2Ō section is compleated.

Personally, with the number of people getting off at Paraparaumu, I would have rather it (and the Kapiti expressway) opened at 110km/h rather than wait until the whole section of the road has opened.

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