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#2947222 28-Jul-2022 09:51

Senecio: The speed sign detection camera in my car (Ford Escape) are very good. The only thing they can’t do is differentiate between a regular speed sign and a school zone sign. It thinks I need to do 40km/hr past a scroll at 9pm.

As part of a driver appraisal strategy by an employer a few years back we took a drive with an AA driving instructor beside us.

One of the 'errors' I was supposed to have made was to drive past school buses parked outside a local high school at 11:00am at 50km/h. Apparently I should have slowed to 30km/h or some such because they were school buses in a school zone. Never mind that they were parked there for the day awaiting their afternoon duties.

All in all the AA was was a jumped up little twat who was notorious for such nit-picking and did so to all he observed.

Another of my errors was to use the right hand side of two straight ahead lanes at a traffic light controlled intersection. I had failed to keep left! Using that logic the right hand lane served no purpose and should be permanently empty of traffic. Little f*ckwit!

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#2947251 28-Jul-2022 10:40

HarmLessSolutions:

Another of my errors was to use the right hand side of two straight ahead lanes at a traffic light controlled intersection. I had failed to keep left! Using that logic the right hand lane served no purpose and should be permanently empty of traffic. Little f*ckwit!

If there is a left arrow at the lights then that IMO is the correct lane to take for going straight thru as otherwise you block people.

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#2947254 28-Jul-2022 10:44

HarmLessSolutions:
One of the 'errors' I was supposed to have made was to drive past school buses parked outside a local high school at 11:00am at 50km/h. Apparently I should have slowed to 30km/h or some such because they were school buses in a school zone. Never mind that they were parked there for the day awaiting their afternoon duties.

Another of my errors was to use the right hand side of two straight ahead lanes at a traffic light controlled intersection. I had failed to keep left! Using that logic the right hand lane served no purpose and should be permanently empty of traffic. Little f*ckwit!

Near a school you're an idiot if you blast past any vehicle that hides your view of the footpath. It's one of those sooner or later things.

In the right-hand lane you're more likely to get jammed behind that guy who's turning right but didn't turn his indicators on.

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#2947263 28-Jul-2022 10:56

richms:

HarmLessSolutions:

Another of my errors was to use the right hand side of two straight ahead lanes at a traffic light controlled intersection. I had failed to keep left! Using that logic the right hand lane served no purpose and should be permanently empty of traffic. Little f*ckwit!

If there is a left arrow at the lights then that IMO is the correct lane to take for going straight thru as otherwise you block people.

The intersection in question (Smart Road/SH3 just north of New Plymouth) has two straight ahead lanes plus a right turn only lane (which has right turn arrows on the traffic lights but no left turn arrows). The LH one of the straight lanes is also a left turn lane so by using that lane to go straight ahead you are potentially holding up left turning traffic, or more relevantly you would be waiting for left hand turning traffic waiting for pedestrians delaying their left turn which impedes traffic flow.

The inverse of your opinion actually applies and as I said that strategy would see no traffic using the RH straight ahead lane.

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#2947265 28-Jul-2022 10:59

Bung:
HarmLessSolutions:

One of the 'errors' I was supposed to have made was to drive past school buses parked outside a local high school at 11:00am at 50km/h. Apparently I should have slowed to 30km/h or some such because they were school buses in a school zone. Never mind that they were parked there for the day awaiting their afternoon duties.

Another of my errors was to use the right hand side of two straight ahead lanes at a traffic light controlled intersection. I had failed to keep left! Using that logic the right hand lane served no purpose and should be permanently empty of traffic. Little f*ckwit!

Near a school you're an idiot if you blast past any vehicle that hides your view of the footpath. It's one of those sooner or later things.

In the right-hand lane you're more likely to get jammed behind that guy who's turning right but didn't turn his indicators on.

If you class 50km/h as blasting past. So, do you slow to 30km/h when you drive past every large parked vehicle? Perhaps familiarise yourself with what the Road Code says on this matter. "When you’re passing a school bus that’s stopped to let kids on or off, the speed limit is 20km/h. This limit applies even if the school bus has stopped on the opposite side of the road to where you are driving."

See my previous explanation of the lane set-up at the intersection in question. I travel that road daily and the idiocy of the AA guy's advice still occurs to me most times I cross that intersection.

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#2947271 28-Jul-2022 11:12

HarmLessSolutions:

All in all the AA was was a jumped up little twat who was notorious for such nit-picking and did so to all he observed.

He's there to find mistakes, so nit-picking is perhaps appropriate??? If you're sure that your driving was safe anyway then forget it, because safe driving does not require slavish obedience of the rules.

And of course if he doesn't find any mistakes, there's no possibility of ongoing income from remedial training. Doing both driver training and driver testing is a nice gravy train for the AA. And of course the magic word "safety" can be invoked to justify almost anything.

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#2947292 28-Jul-2022 11:27

frankv:

HarmLessSolutions:

All in all the AA was was a jumped up little twat who was notorious for such nit-picking and did so to all he observed.

He's there to find mistakes, so nit-picking is perhaps appropriate??? If you're sure that your driving was safe anyway then forget it, because safe driving does not require slavish obedience of the rules.

And of course if he doesn't find any mistakes, there's no possibility of ongoing income from remedial training. Doing both driver training and driver testing is a nice gravy train for the AA. And of course the magic word "safety" can be invoked to justify almost anything.

Agreed but when an 'expert' bases his advice/criticism on a misinterpreted take on the Road Code (as shown above) it not only devalues their credibility but also potentially teaches people bad driving habits which is counter to safety.

I've had enough experience with misdirected rules in the workplace all in the name of safety but lacking common sense from my past contracting within the oil exploration sector.

One particular vivid example was during a morning 'toolbox meeting' where the issue of our survey work while in a rural area was being affected by having to negotiate numerous high voltage electric fences. The safety officer's remedy was for the each survey crew to carry a stepladder to enable them to more easily get over the fences.

Us: "Won't that be heavy and cumbersome to carry around all day"

Safety Officer: "A lightweight aluminium one would probably be easier.

When the laughter subsided we suggested the conductivity of aluminium might be an issue 🤦‍♂️ 🤣

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#2947294 28-Jul-2022 11:27

frankv:

HarmLessSolutions:

All in all the AA was was a jumped up little twat who was notorious for such nit-picking and did so to all he observed.

He's there to find mistakes, so nit-picking is perhaps appropriate??? If you're sure that your driving was safe anyway then forget it, because safe driving does not require slavish obedience of the rules.

And of course if he doesn't find any mistakes, there's no possibility of ongoing income from remedial training. Doing both driver training and driver testing is a nice gravy train for the AA. And of course the magic word "safety" c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶ is invoked to justify a̶l̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ anything.

Fixed that for you. 😎

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#2947301 28-Jul-2022 11:32

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frankv:

He's there to find mistakes, so nit-picking is perhaps appropriate??? If you're sure that your driving was safe anyway then forget it, because safe driving does not require slavish obedience of the rules.

And of course if he doesn't find any mistakes, there's no possibility of ongoing income from remedial training. Doing both driver training and driver testing is a nice gravy train for the AA. And of course the magic word "safety" can be invoked to justify almost anything.

Agreed but when an 'expert' bases his advice/criticism on a misinterpreted take on the Road Code (as shown above) it not only devalues their credibility but also potentially teaches people bad driving habits which is counter to safety.

I've had enough experience with misdirected rules in the workplace all in the name of safety but lacking common sense from my past contracting within the oil exploration sector.

One particular vivid example was during a morning 'toolbox meeting' where the issue of our survey work while in a rural area was being affected by having to negotiate numerous high voltage electric fences. The safety officer's remedy was for the each survey crew to carry a stepladder to enable them to more easily get over the fences.

Us: "Won't that be heavy and cumbersome to carry around all day"

Safety Officer: "A lightweight aluminium one would probably be easier.

When the laughter subsided we suggested the conductivity of aluminium might be an issue 🤦‍♂️ 🤣

A "carefully placed" aluminium ladder would have been a solution to you problems. All the fences on that feed would cease to be much of a problem.

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#2947310 28-Jul-2022 11:49

Technofreak:

HarmLessSolutions:

Agreed but when an 'expert' bases his advice/criticism on a misinterpreted take on the Road Code (as shown above) it not only devalues their credibility but also potentially teaches people bad driving habits which is counter to safety.

I've had enough experience with misdirected rules in the workplace all in the name of safety but lacking common sense from my past contracting within the oil exploration sector.

One particular vivid example was during a morning 'toolbox meeting' where the issue of our survey work while in a rural area was being affected by having to negotiate numerous high voltage electric fences. The safety officer's remedy was for the each survey crew to carry a stepladder to enable them to more easily get over the fences.

Us: "Won't that be heavy and cumbersome to carry around all day"

Safety Officer: "A lightweight aluminium one would probably be easier.

When the laughter subsided we suggested the conductivity of aluminium might be an issue 🤦‍♂️ 🤣

A "carefully placed" aluminium ladder would have been a solution to you problems. All the fences on that feed would cease to be much of a problem.

Using the ladder as a grounding device wasn't what he was suggesting. If he was a jumper lead and ground spike would have been a more convenient tool for the job.

Seems this conversation has wandered a bit off topic BTW.

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#2947326 28-Jul-2022 12:21

HarmLessSolutions: Agreed but when an 'expert' bases his advice/criticism on a misinterpreted take on the Road Code (as shown above) it not only devalues their credibility but also potentially teaches people bad driving habits which is counter to safety.

I'm well aware of the Road User Rule regarding school buses. How do you know at any time of the day that the buses are just parked? It is poor management to leave them directly outside the school anyway. As far as I'm concerned you should be expecting someone to run out from behind the bus at any time. I've seen it happen luckily the truck had slowed down and the boy hit the side rather than go under the front wheel.

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#2947330 28-Jul-2022 12:28

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HarmLessSolutions: Agreed but when an 'expert' bases his advice/criticism on a misinterpreted take on the Road Code (as shown above) it not only devalues their credibility but also potentially teaches people bad driving habits which is counter to safety.

I'm well aware of the Road User Rule regarding school buses. How do you know at any time of the day that the buses are just parked? It is poor management to leave them directly outside the school anyway. As far as I'm concerned you should be expecting someone to run out from behind the bus at any time. I've seen it happen luckily the truck had slowed down and the boy hit the side rather than go under the front wheel.

^Well maybe we need to adopt the North American practice of flashing hazard lights and fold out barriers when school buses are actively load or off loading passengers. Until then the school might have to provide an off road parking facility for them during the day.^

Then we'll implement flying lessons for pigs 😆

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#2947390 28-Jul-2022 13:20

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^Well maybe we need to adopt the North American practice of flashing hazard lights and fold out barriers when school buses are actively load or off loading passengers. Until then the school might have to provide an off road parking facility for them during the day.^

Then we'll implement flying lessons for pigs 😆

Schools wont even provide an off road solution for people to load and unload kids, instead being allowed to push that onto the roadside which no other business would ever be allowed to do, so the chances of them having an area for a bus is even more fantasy land. They then want to ruin the roads outside schools for everyone else 24/7

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#2947427 28-Jul-2022 15:03

Bung: I've seen it happen luckily the truck had slowed down and the boy hit the side rather than go under the front wheel.

Ummm... if the kid hit the side after the truck had slowed down, then *speeding up* could have averted the accident.

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#2947431 28-Jul-2022 15:11

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Well maybe we need to adopt the North American practice of flashing hazard lights and fold out barriers when school buses are actively load or off loading passengers.

Having observed many times cars passing at 80-100kph school buses stopped to load passengers, I wonder at the necessity of the 20kph law that is universally ignored (except by nitpicker AA testers). How many children are injured each year in accidents when loading/unloading school buses? If the answer is "none", then it seems that ignoring this rule is actually safe enough.

[Edit] Found this:

Rural Women NZ national president, Liz Evans, says 23 school children have been killed in New Zealand during the last 25 years when crossing the road to or from school buses, and another 47 have been seriously injured.

So 1 killed per year, and 2 seriously injured.

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