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Obraik
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  #2753501 2-Aug-2021 09:28
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SaltyNZ:

 

I would not be shocked if that's what Tesla does - after all, they offer the ability to upgrade your range via an over-the-air update to the car, and bits don't magically make new batteries appear out of thin air. But there's nothing new about that. Disk drive manufacturers have been doing that for decades to improve the reliability (and also speed, in the case of SSDs) of their drives, and every form of error correction is fundamentally the use of some hidden extra capacity.

 

In the case of batteries, you're trading some initial extra range for a guaranteed longer life with a reliably steady range. It makes sense to me.

 

 

Tesla doesn't have as much of a buffer as other companies. The only time Tesla allows you to unlock more battery with an in-app purchase is when they've sold a low-capacity configuration of the car with the same pack from a higher capacity configuration, such as the Model S 70D which had the same pack as the Model S 75D.





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  #2753505 2-Aug-2021 09:34
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SaltyNZ:

 

RobDickinson:

 


I'm guessing theres some extra capacity that its chewing through so it will have degraded some, but its obviously fake and they've been swapping out AA's before the test /s

 

 

I would not be shocked if that's what Tesla does

 



In general, no. Outside of the mentioned larger packs and unlock ability their buffers are usually quite slim (75kwh usable on 82kwh total for the 3 etc so upper buffer is 2-3kwh).

They do this so you can manage and use that capacity yourself, unlike say Audi or Jaguar that locks away 8-9kwh at the top end and you can never really use it (this also helps apparent charge speeds too.)


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  #2754229 3-Aug-2021 09:03
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Wowsers the new Polestar Precept is a sexy bit of wheel-based technology. Holy Moley.

 

 




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  #2754338 3-Aug-2021 11:40
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Well the feebate has certainly lit a fire under EV sales, with 1944 light BEVs and PHEVs sold (in June it was 521)

 

 

 

Pretty much all the action was in new vehicles (as I guess most of the used stock was already registered and not attracting the feebate)

 

There were 759 new BEVs sold in July . compared to 792 in the entire June quarter (Apr/May/Jun) 

 

The standouts were the MG Zs 186 units and Tesla Model 3, 196 units, 

 

New PHEVs were also up, but this was pretty much driven by the 155 Mitsi Eclipse crosses.... up from 9 in the previous whole quarter...

 

https://www.transport.govt.nz/statistics-and-insights/fleet-statistics/sheet/monthly-ev-statistics

 

 


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  #2754340 3-Aug-2021 11:43
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I think the Eclipse was just introduced so thats basically a new vehicle just arriving, sales would have been decent regardless I think


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  #2754346 3-Aug-2021 11:50
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wellygary:

 

Well the feebate has certainly lit a fire under EV sales, with 1944 light BEVs and PHEVs sold (in June it was 521)

 

 

 

Pretty much all the action was in new vehicles (as I guess most of the used stock was already registered and not attracting the feebate)

 

There were 759 new BEVs sold in July . compared to 792 in the entire June quarter (Apr/May/Jun) 

 

The standouts were the MG Zs 186 units and Tesla Model 3, 196 units, 

 

New PHEVs were also up, but this was pretty much driven by the 155 Mitsi Eclipse crosses.... up from 9 in the previous whole quarter...

 

https://www.transport.govt.nz/statistics-and-insights/fleet-statistics/sheet/monthly-ev-statistics

 

 

 

 

I wonder how much tax Telsla will pay in NZ :)

 

 


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  #2754358 3-Aug-2021 12:03
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Well given they have a couple dozen employees, and charge gst on their cars probably quite a bit.

And according to their filed financial statements they also pay income tax in NZ on profit.

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/6A57901CEAFC8F7C51728F0C12EF4703


 
 
 

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  #2754373 3-Aug-2021 12:45
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Does someone want to buy me the Audi GT Etron?

 

Actually I saw a Q4 Etron review on Fully charged....that's might be one SUV style vehicle I could consider (since I don't actually like the form factor).   Unsure what pricing would be, bu tUK pricing wasn't "stupid" (ie like the GT)





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  #2754381 3-Aug-2021 12:56
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I'd expect the Q4 etron to start at about $110-120k here.


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  #2754417 3-Aug-2021 13:53
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Top 10 selling EVs of the year:

 

     

  1. Tesla Model 3 903
  2. MG ZS EV 427
  3. Hyundai Kona EV 385
  4. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 347
  5. Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV 171
  6. Hyundai Ioniq EV 118
  7. Kia Niro EV 98
  8. Mini Countryman PHEV 97
  9. Audi E-Tron 93
  10. Porsche Taycan 80

 

 

 

Crazy how the taycan is 10th, shows we lack some middle ground options, and the Eclipse has a solid start.


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  #2754425 3-Aug-2021 14:02
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RobDickinson:

 

Well given they have a couple dozen employees, and charge gst on their cars probably quite a bit.

And according to their filed financial statements they also pay income tax in NZ on profit.

 

I don't see that as a given. A standard tactic is for X (NZ) Ltd to buy widgets off X (Luxembourg) Ltd at very near the NZ retail (excl GST) price. X (Luxembourg) Ltd in turn buys them off X (China) Ltd or X (USA) or wherever at a very low price. The goods themselves of course never go anywhere near Luxembourg. And all three "independent" entities are 100% owned by X Corporation Ltd.

 

So X (NZ) Ltd and X (China) Ltd make almost no profit, so pay almost no tax on their profits. X (Luxembourg) Ltd makes vast profits, which are essentially untaxed. GST on the import is about the same as what is collected from the customer.

 

The above is essentially how Apple scams people worldwide, except they use Ireland instead of Luxembourg.

 

Variants on the above include paying "marketing" or "license" fees to X (Luxembourg) Ltd.

 

 


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  #2754428 3-Aug-2021 14:05
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frankv:

 

I don't see that as a given. 

 



Whilst its standard practice I dont see tesla currently doing that, and their financial filings show they are paying 28% tax on their NZ income.


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  #2754485 3-Aug-2021 14:18
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RobDickinson:

 


Whilst its standard practice I dont see tesla currently doing that, and their financial filings show they are paying 28% tax on their NZ income.

 

 

No, they pay 28% tax on their NET income ...

 

As noted above there are plenty of practices to push up their expenses to push down the net income (profit)  by a) upping the costs of their stock and b) increasing the "overheads" they pay to others in the group...

 

All trans national corporates do it... and I would not expect Tesla to be any different 

 

 


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  #2754488 3-Aug-2021 14:24
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wellygary:

 

RobDickinson:

 


Whilst its standard practice I dont see tesla currently doing that, and their financial filings show they are paying 28% tax on their NZ income.

 

 

No, they pay 28% tax on their NET income ...

 

As noted above there are plenty of practices to push up their expenses to push down the net income (profit)  by a) upping the costs of their stock and b) increasing the "overheads" they pay to others in the group...

 

All trans national corporates do it... and I would not expect Tesla to be any different 

 

 

 

So by "All trans national corporates" would you include major car makers?





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  #2754490 3-Aug-2021 14:28
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

So by "All trans national corporates" would you include major car makers?

 

 

Yip....


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