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#2815301 18-Nov-2021 13:50

I am a supporter of alternative personal transport but there needs to be a balance. Increased housing intensity that does not have off street parking is happening now when viable alternatives e.g Light rail is at best a decade away is a recipe for a congested nightmare on our streets and thief's paradise.

As a disabled person the loss of off road and on road parking has serious implications. One concern I have is more people parking their cars on the footpath making the use of wheelchairs and mobility scooters a dangerous if not impossible ordeal.

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#2815307 18-Nov-2021 13:58

I don't think we should stop high-density building due to concerns that people might break the law, or because public transport options aren't ready yet. Cities like Auckland need both.

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#2815308 18-Nov-2021 13:59

rugrat: Yes, I am more concerned about how neighbour will behave if street parking lost, will I be able to get my car out when leaving for work? And coming home will garage be blocked?

Neighbour arguments can get out of hand, there was a stabbing in Christchurch yesterday over a rubbish row.

Well you don't have much in the way of choice then do you?

Get some food and drink (not necessarily alcohol) and go over and chat to them. Even if they [actually] the type who'll tell you to f-off, at least try.

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#2815311 18-Nov-2021 14:01

Jase2985:

$14 is less the the the petrol and personal time it would take to get to the supermarket and back once a week. and you dont have to deal with idiots and covid.

Even as the Auckland lockdown has eased, though I'm still working from home, we've continued to get groceries delivered and I have plenty of time to go get them!

It's just convenient, our list doesn't vary much and it's saved. I don't know if it's an age thing but I lose the will to live trying to navigate around the aisles making sure I've got everything and waiting on someone who is moving slower than me.

Off topic but I stare at the rows sometimes thinking I'm sure that thing used to be here!

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#2815319 18-Nov-2021 14:19

Council rang back. Parking is not being lost, they are going to make one of the two existing lanes a bus lane, so traffic becomes single file at those times. So I did read the diagram correctly. Further up road, where single lane being lost there.

Comment on supermarket, Countdown does free pick ups $50 plus Christchurch, sometimes I use that. Shop I go to can drive up to door, ring bell and they bring them out. When L3 Christchurch though there were no pick up slots/ delivery slots available so had to go in store.

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#2815323 18-Nov-2021 14:23

mudguard:

Off topic but I stare at the rows sometimes thinking I'm sure that thing used to be here!

Or stare at 30 different versions of the same thing in despair and think "I just want some toothpaste!"

On topic - I do remember reading an article about a significant proportion of teens living in Wellington not bothering to get their driver's license, and never intending to get a car. While I think that's great for the environment and a fine choice for them to make, I feel like it will limit their places to live as they get older and finish Uni. High house prices in the major cities, coupled with very poor public transport options once you get even a small distance away from said cities...

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#2816055 20-Nov-2021 11:18

rugrat:

DaveDog:

Those that choose not to own cars will easily opt for the delivery. That being said - if you think the price of heading to the supermarket is simply the price of the gas, you should do some sums on the cost of car ownership...

You seem to be anti car? Yes if I was just used the car for Supermarket shopping it would be ridiculous.

Wait the car does more trips then the supermarket. Non money wise gives me 1000’s of extra hours to do other things, let’s me pick up other people, parents in home so helps improves their lives.

Money wise, no public transport when finish work. Taxi around $20. 100x52=$5200 a year and that’s just taxi to get home from work. Had car for 7 years, cost me no where near $36000 to buy.

Also have 10 year cost free program, warrant fitness, servicing, mechanical repairs all free.

One size doesn’t necessary fit all. I’m not anti bus, they are definitely suitable for a lot of people situations, not mine though.

I'm definitely not anti-car - use it for 99% of my travel and am happy to admit it. I'm also open-minded enough to know that car ownership is very expensive when you factor in all the costs - that's a realistic take. I'm also aware that there are those that choose for their own reasons not to own or use their own cars - that's their prerogative. I'm smart enough to realise the more people that use public transport - the better it is for those of us that don't - it leads to less congestion on the roads, more parking available in town - there are clear benefits.

I find it outrageous that people seem to think that their local councils have an obligation to provide them with on-street parking (they simply don't) and people need to grow up and simply live in homes and neighbourhoods that suit their lifestyles. Those that have cars need somewhere to park them, those that don't should be free to have homes without carparking if they wish... It's not rocket science.

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#2816057 20-Nov-2021 11:20

rugrat:

Jase2985:

$14 is less the the the petrol and personal time it would take to get to the supermarket and back once a week. and you dont have to deal with idiots and covid.

Is everyone here going to say everyone should get their groceries by delivery?

If I’m on a day off, my time isn’t earning me income, so no opportunity cost in spending time shopping. I get some satisfaction from it, doesn’t feel like work.

COVID doesn’t mean life stops, is there going to be no social interaction with anyone outside work in future?

No one is saying that at all... You're free to get your groceries however you like - and delivery is a good option for those who want to use it. Back to the topic - it's about councils (lack of) obligation to provide people with on-street parking...

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#2816062 20-Nov-2021 11:39

DaveDog:

I find it outrageous that people seem to think that their local councils have an obligation to provide them with on-street parking (they simply don't) and people need to grow up and simply live in homes and neighbourhoods that suit their lifestyles. Those that have cars need somewhere to park them, those that don't should be free to have homes without carparking if they wish... It's not rocket science.

As someone who uses a car rather than public transport but sees clear benefits the more that other people use public transport, do you think that if councils don't need to provide on-street parking, then they should require all new residential developments to provide at least one on-site park?

You say "Those that have cars need somewhere to park them ...". What happens when Councils allow developments with no on-site parking and then prohibit on-street parking and put in bus and cycle lanes?

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#2816080 20-Nov-2021 12:01

eracode:

DaveDog:

I find it outrageous that people seem to think that their local councils have an obligation to provide them with on-street parking (they simply don't) and people need to grow up and simply live in homes and neighbourhoods that suit their lifestyles. Those that have cars need somewhere to park them, those that don't should be free to have homes without carparking if they wish... It's not rocket science.

As someone who doesn't use public transport but sees clear benefits the more that other people use it, do you think that if councils don't need to provide on-street parking, then they should require all new residential developments to provide at least one on-site park?

You say "Those that have cars need somewhere to park them ...". What happens when Councils allow developments with no on-site parking and then prohibit on-street parking and put in bus and cycle lanes?

I'll answer this in two parts.

Should Council have to mandate new residential developments to provide onsite parking?

No. Not at all. This adds cost to housing developments and for those who don't want it - why should they be forced to have it. In new developments, the council should however clearly mark the roads with yellow lines and make it clear that on-street parking isn't provided. The market will sort the issue from there - those that want parking will find an appropriate property for their needs, those that don't won't - and if there isn't demand for properties with (or without) parking, then developers simply won't build it.

Logically, developments without parking do need to be well serviced by public transport and metro-spatial planning should protect future corridors for that purpose. That being said, market-wise, developers aren't stupid and will soon adapt - they won't build large communities without parking away from those public transport corridors - because the demand and uptake would be poor.

Let me put it this way. Should all houses need to be 3 bedrooms as a minimum on the basis that the average family has one or two children? Of course not. Those people who choose not to have children may be content to live in a one or two-bedroom home instead right?

What happens when Councils allow developments with no on-site parking and then prohibit on-street parking and put in bus and cycle lanes?

This isn't so much of an issue. Obviously, for new developments, the intention needs to be clear from the outset. The issue more arises when we have urban growth and the road use of older neighbourhoods change to allow for that growth. The council does need to be quite transparent and make it clear that they do not guarantee the perpetual availability of on-street parking in any area. As cities and populations grow, this is going to simply be a fact of life. This will obviously be uncomfortable for some in the short term, but our neighbourhoods are simply going to have to adapt for growth, density and accept in a grown-up way that public transport is going to take precedence in the future. It's a bitter pill to swallow but the rule of thumb in the future will be if you own a car - you need somewhere (off-road) to park it.

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#2816095 20-Nov-2021 12:49

In principle I don't have an objection to councils consenting developments without car parking and just leaving the market to sort it out, but they need to accept the burden of additional parking enforcement.

Councils seem to be naive enough to believe that a lack of off-street car parking will result in young people just choosing not to own cars. In reality what seems to be happening is people are just opting to park their cars illegally - e.g. blocking footpaths, blocking driveways, on yellow lines, at intersection thresholds, etc. As a pedestrian this is becoming increasingly problematic.

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#2816102 20-Nov-2021 13:17

alasta:

In principle I don't have an objection to councils consenting developments without car parking and just leaving the market to sort it out, but they need to accept the burden of additional parking enforcement.

Councils seem to be naive enough to believe that a lack of off-street car parking will result in young people just choosing not to own cars. In reality what seems to be happening is people are just opting to park their cars illegally - e.g. blocking footpaths, blocking driveways, on yellow lines, at intersection thresholds, etc. As a pedestrian this is becoming increasingly problematic.

Absolutely and totally agree. Non-compliance is a huge problem and it's also one that could be self-funding in its solution (ie. the revenue generated should cover the enforcement costs). Towing is probably the best deterrent as it hugely inconveniences the offender...

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#2816124 20-Nov-2021 14:24

Obviously it depends on the situation, but generally I favour towing over fines. Removing the offending vehicle deals with the immediate problem, whereas a fine only disincentivises repeat behaviour.

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