Bus lane going outside my house residential area.

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#290517 16-Nov-2021 20:26

Just saw pamphlet in my letter box on way out. No one will be able to park outside house 3pm-6pm weekdays, and 10am-2pm Saturdays.

Will send feedback, but guessing predetermined decision.

I have a shared driveway. Neighbours have more cars then they can park in their area, if goes ahead I will have constant arguments with them.

If we both have trades people doing work in our houses, where are they suppose to park? And same with guests.

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#2814029 16-Nov-2021 20:45

Vistors will have to come by bus

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#2814037 16-Nov-2021 20:59

You need to make friends with a councillor

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#2814040 16-Nov-2021 21:03

Serious question - how often do you usually get visitors between 3-6pm on a weekday anyway? I can certainly see the Saturday time being more problematic/annoying...

As for tradies, that's their problem tho isn't it? but I can see costs (if any) coming back on you if they were to do the work. Or I guess you could get them to start/finish early?

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#2814043 16-Nov-2021 21:12

I had a Tradie spend all day at my house few weeks ago, they had a trailer for all their wood etc.

Also what about neighbours that can’t fit all their cars in their space, are they going to just block driveway between 3pm and 6pm and then be bothered taking cars back out after 6.

I quite often get hone around midnight, if I can’t get to my garage will be parking my car behind theirs, good luck to them trying to wake me at 7am in mourning.

Also when I go to work, most times there are 20 to 30 cars parked on street, guess there will be a lot of congested drive ways.

People seem to be minimising the impact but I’m sure would feel differently if outside their house with shared driveway.

If was just me using driveway, it wouldn’t worry me.

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#2814048 16-Nov-2021 21:20

This is a problem when you choose housing without sufficient parking available to you.

Choices are, sell some cars, store them off site somewhere else, move somewhere that has more parking available or do the thing where you shuffle them over the other side of the road during the day. The street outside is not exclusively yours for parking so what do you do when other people have taken all the parks on it?

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#2814050 16-Nov-2021 21:25

richms:

This is a problem when you choose housing without sufficient parking available to you.

Choices are, sell some cars, store them off site somewhere else, move somewhere that has more parking available or do the thing where you shuffle them over the other side of the road during the day. The street outside is not exclusively yours for parking so what do you do when other people have taken all the parks on it?

HEY, I have sufficient parking, I only have ONE car. My neighbours have extended family, they have to many cars.

Sorry for yelling, but it appears the above response is trying to blame me for my situation.

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#2814081 16-Nov-2021 21:50

If your neighbours are parking in the shared driveway and blocking access then that's just plain rude. And I would be super p1ssed with them if they kept doing that.

If it were me, and they kept blocking it (after giving maybe 2 or 3 chances), then I would look to escalate and get the vehicle towed... But I would obviously try and communicate this to them before doing anything drastic.

Also, not sure if you were referring to my initial post, but i was not trying to blame you for your situation at all. I was merely trying to give a different perspective and whether you would actually need to use street parking between 3-6pm on a weekday.. It sounds to me like you're more concerned with your neighbour's (potential) behaviour rather than the bus lane itself. Do they block the driveway at present?

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#2814088 16-Nov-2021 21:56

rugrat:

richms:

This is a problem when you choose housing without sufficient parking available to you.

Choices are, sell some cars, store them off site somewhere else, move somewhere that has more parking available or do the thing where you shuffle them over the other side of the road during the day. The street outside is not exclusively yours for parking so what do you do when other people have taken all the parks on it?

HEY, I have sufficient parking, I only have ONE car. My neighbours have extended family, they have to many cars.

Sorry for yelling, but it appears the above response is trying to blame me for my situation.

The thing is neither you nor your neighbours own the road side outside your property. A bus land benefits 100s/1000s of people, parking outside your property benefits you.

If your neighbours block your driveway get them towed, but neither they or you have any right to park on the street outside of your property.

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#2814092 16-Nov-2021 22:03

A quick search suggests that this is likely Lincoln Road Christchurch?

https://ccc.govt.nz/the-council/haveyoursay/show/461

Note it is tidal operation on weekdays so parking will be operating on the opposite side of the road during afternoon period.

In terms of your comments:

Yes, councils do consider feedback. That said, if the road is a significant arterial, they priory will likely remain throughput rather than retaining parking. Here is an example feedback document (incl council responses from Auckland):

https://at.govt.nz/media/1977131/mt-eden-bus-lane-and-parking-changes-feedback-report-31-may-2018.pdf

Note that they reject a bunch of the suggestions. i.e:

"Create T2/ T3 / EV lane": "We will not be changing the Mt Eden Road bus lanes into T2
or T3 lanes. Mt Eden Road is not suitable for transit lanes
because of the high volume of buses and the constrained road
capacity through Mt Eden Village"

Many of the changes are tweaking. I.e. making restrictions Monday to Saturday in a particular area, in order to appease church goers, Re-configuration of side streets to either add parking spaces, or make then available for certain visitors (i.e. loading zones / time limits.

With regards to the shared driveway, it is extremely likely that the title to your property to cover this, including a requirement that the shared area be kept clear of obstructions such as parked vehicle. You can legally enforce this, but hopefully your neighbors realize that blocking your access is an not acceptable.

With regards to Tradespeople. They generally work weekdays. This means parking will be available on at least one side of the road. If you don't have enough parking bays on your site to accommodate a trade's person van (and your vehicles, you will need to make a decision between asking the trade to park on the street (time appropriate side), or put your car their to free up a space on your land. Unlikely to be different to your current situation, other than the need to perhaps cross the road.

With regards to guest's, It is simply something that need to be worked around. Either having guests come by a non-car mode, timing their visits to avoid clearway hours, parking in a side street & walking etc.

The reality is that you don't own the street, and the council has the power to make changes to parking policy. And many cities are going the way of reducing parking on arterial roads, in favor of more traffic capacity. There is not really any way to avoid this being inconvenient for the residents of the road. At least you do have some off street parking...

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#2814093 16-Nov-2021 22:04

I'm guessing the pamphlet was from your local council\authority?

If so, they may have already asked for submissions on the proposal, and unless you watch the Public notices section of the local council\authority, read the local paper, or are part of a local community\facebook group, you may have missed it.

Maybe contact your local council\authority, or NZTA, and from them and find out what options are available to you as a resident, and what penalties there are if you or guests park inside the times you've mentioned.

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#2814099 16-Nov-2021 22:12

rugrat:

HEY, I have sufficient parking, I only have ONE car. My neighbours have extended family, they have to many cars.

Sorry for yelling, but it appears the above response is trying to blame me for my situation.

Your neighbors having more cars than they have off street parking spaces is their problem.

Hopefully your assumption that they will block assess your access is wrong. Blocking a shared driveway both is in breach of common decency, and typically legal stipulations set out in the property titles.

I think most people would be extremely upset to come home at a weird hour and find access to their property blocked.

Given you have sufficient private parking space for your one car, this should have low impact on you.

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#2814104 16-Nov-2021 22:20

Blurtie: If your neighbours are parking in the shared driveway and blocking access then that's just plain rude. And I would be super p1ssed with them if they kept doing that.

If it were me, and they kept blocking it (after giving maybe 2 or 3 chances), then I would look to escalate and get the vehicle towed... But I would obviously try and communicate this to them before doing anything drastic.

Also, not sure if you were referring to my initial post, but i was not trying to blame you for your situation at all. I was merely trying to give a different perspective and whether you would actually need to use street parking between 3-6pm on a weekday.. It sounds to me like you're more concerned with your neighbour's (potential) behaviour rather than the bus lane itself. Do they block the driveway at present?

Hi, I was referring to Richms post directly above mine.

Quoting your post so I can see the points above, I work shift work, and so have some week days off.

Neighbours now and then do block driveway as it is now, I’ve knocked on door and they promptly have moved car. I’ve been polite as don’t wish to escalate, but did have a couple instances where they parked directly in front of my garage door. Automatic door on it and it opened into their car, not sure if left lasting Scratches on their car or not, but didn’t think it would be helpful if I went screaming at them, wouldn’t have been good for my door either. They go straight ahead through a gate into their house, my garage is on right.

I’m worried if they can’t park on street it would be every day I have to knock on door etc.

The council have drop in sessions to have a chat to them about road changes, one of the times is my day off.

They may not block parking outside my place as it seems to contradict itself now that I’m going through it fully.
Under parking options it names two intersections which my house is in between and has “ During bus lane operating hours there will be no on street parking.

Then in another part it has All road users, names a different start street which is after my place and same end street as above, which is also after my place and has “Removal of on-street parking when bus lanes are operational”

Diagram for my place shows car parking area, cycle lane, then bus lane.

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I think I’ll need to pop in December and directly ask if I’m going to lose on street parking. I’d rather not be in position of calling. Tow truck on neighbours as could result in some sort of war.

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#2814108 16-Nov-2021 22:37

I raised this issue in an Auckland context in this post a couple of weeks ago. Some people here thought it was a storm in a teacup and not an issue. It is going to be a major issue and this is just the thin end of the wedge in parts of our larger cities.

Higher housing density + new houses with little or no on-site parking + reduction in on-street parking availability = major inconvenience and conflict.

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#2814231 17-Nov-2021 08:33

With regard to the neighbours, you need to keep a record of times and dates when they are blocking the driveway. Take photos if possible.

Once you have a few concrete examples of this behaviour then provide them with a written notice asking them to desist. If they ignore it then speak to your lawyer. I would imagine that the driveway is probably on a cross-lease and you need to establish what legal remedies are available for that particular situation. Do not get vehicles towed away without seeking legal advice first as you could open yourself up to liability risks.

Do the neighbours own the house, or are they renting?

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#2814236 17-Nov-2021 08:41

Scott3:

(Snip):

Yes, councils do consider feedback.

.... except that Auckland Council is proposing have the power to remove street parking and install bus and cycle lanes without any requirement for them to consult with residents or Local Wards.

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