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#2898551 8-Apr-2022 12:10

Surely the best system would be two separate and adjustable charges:

RUC based on vehicle weight and/or any other "road wear" factor, used to fund transport infrastructure
Carbon tax on fuel to combat CC and encourage uptake of greener vehicles. Also encourages greener options for boats, farms, garden machinery etc etc

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#2898584 8-Apr-2022 14:04

Yes that’s essentially what I suggested in my submission on the RUC changes. They’re still open till the 22nd I believe, so make sure you have your say.

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#2898586 8-Apr-2022 14:08

There already is a “carbon tax” on fuel (via the ETS-according to the CEO of Gull). 12c/l on petrol, 16c/l on diesel.

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#2898588 8-Apr-2022 14:12

Needs to be higher, and not just for CO2. There are other consequences of the pollution in addition to climate change.

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#2898839 8-Apr-2022 22:23

Volkswagen ID.4s (Cupra Borns and Skoda Enyaqs?) expected to land in Australia late 2022 at an “affordable” price that will likely compete with electric compacts like the Hyundai Ioniq fastback and Nissan Leaf.

https://thedriven.io/2022/04/07/vws-big-electric-vehicle-plans-to-outsell-tesla-in-australia/

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#2898916 9-Apr-2022 09:50

SaltyNZ: Needs to be higher, and not just for CO2. There are other consequences of the pollution in addition to climate change.

Agreed, if it was set correctly there would be no need for other EV incentives. It would also ensure the right people bought EVs, is those doing high kms

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#2898928 9-Apr-2022 10:18

shk292:
Agreed, if it was set correctly there would be no need for other EV incentives. It would also ensure the right people bought EVs, is those doing high kms

Firstly, the government deciding the “right people” for anything is dangerous overreach.

Until there is a battery solution with “high km” and really ubiquitous rapid charging then you aren’t going to get the uptake of your target demographic, because unless there is virtue signalling required (perhaps by company policy), the inconvenience will be too great.

By all means address pollution standards, but be aware you are going to “punish the poor” who can least afford the cleanest cars. I would suggest all of us have been stuck behind a little second hand Japanese diesel delivery truck as it belches out black smoke. But that is addressed by compliance testing, not taxing fuel. Which will also impact those that can least afford to maintain their vehicles.

Edit: Because more tax is always the answer.

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#2898934 9-Apr-2022 10:31

DS248:
Volkswagen ID.4s (Cupra Borns and Skoda Enyaqs?) expected to land in Australia late 2022 at an “affordable” price that will likely compete with electric compacts like the Hyundai Ioniq fastback and Nissan Leaf.

As long as Scott Morrison is in office, and Australia keeps heavily subsidizing the petroleum industry, they're not going to have much success.

You'd think the Insurance lobbyist would get tired of paying for flood and fire damage due to climate change. And maybe the Aussies would stop electing Australian politicians that are evil.

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#2899001 9-Apr-2022 11:50

Dingbatt:

Firstly, the government deciding the “right people” for anything is dangerous overreach.

Until there is a battery solution with “high km” and really ubiquitous rapid charging then you aren’t going to get the uptake of your target demographic, because unless there is virtue signalling required (perhaps by company policy), the inconvenience will be too great.

By all means address pollution standards, but be aware you are going to “punish the poor” who can least afford the cleanest cars. I would suggest all of us have been stuck behind a little second hand Japanese diesel delivery truck as it belches out black smoke. But that is addressed by compliance testing, not taxing fuel. Which will also impact those that can least afford to maintain their vehicles.

Edit: Because more tax is always the answer.

Surely, government is there to make policy and policy is there to achieve a goal - in this case, less pollution and carbon emission. I don't see how designing a tax system to encourage those driving the most kms to switch to more efficient vehicles could be considered "over-reach", let alone being dangerous. What I'm suggesting is that if the tax system is correctly designed, there would be little incentive (because there is little point) for someone who drives say 5000km per year to buy an EV. But, there would be for people driving 20000km or more - and this is where the benefits are realised. It may signal lots of virtue to have a Nissan Leaf sitting in your suburban driveway, but it doesn't save any petrol while it's sitting there.

My use case - pre-COVID, I drove 20000km per year, mostly on a daily 76km round-trip commute. Should be the perfect case for a switch to an EV, but the numbers didn't stack up. I know people with longer commutes who still do this in a petrol car even though a bottom-end EV with overnight charging could cope quite happily. $8k purchase discount doesn't really alter that much. Now with WFH I probably do 8-10000km per year, so even less real benefit in switching. And petrol is still cheap enough for people to roar around aimlessly on jetskis or sit in their car with the engine running while they wait for someone or smoke a cigarette. Yes, it would punish the poor but if anyone thinks there is a pain-free way to achieve the emission goals that have been set, they're deluded.

Totally agree on emission (gas and noise) testing being required, frankly amazing we don't already do this.

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#2899008 9-Apr-2022 12:13

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DS248:

Volkswagen ID.4s (Cupra Borns and Skoda Enyaqs?) expected to land in Australia late 2022 at an “affordable” price that will likely compete with electric compacts like the Hyundai Ioniq fastback and Nissan Leaf.

As long as Scott Morrison is in office, and Australia keeps heavily subsidizing the petroleum industry, they're not going to have much success.

So I guess record sales of Tesla Model 3s in Australia are just “fake news”?

And as far as the floods go, I suggest you read Dorothy MacKellar’s poem My Country, and note when it was written. Is a shame the SJWs at Juice Media don’t do the same.

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#2899060 9-Apr-2022 14:43

Seems like the Model Y really is imminent. According to someone on Twitter the order page briefly opened for Aus today revealing prices.

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#2899063 9-Apr-2022 15:02

Obraik: Seems like the Model Y really is imminent. According to someone on Twitter the order page briefly opened for Aus today revealing prices.

Great to read, but if accurate I'm disappointed it looks like I'll have to settle with a white exterior to come in under the $80k limit; the only hope I have is they'll price the base car at $78,299.99! (Assuming other colours excluding red cost $1700.)

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#2899066 9-Apr-2022 15:08

There's always the wrap option, right?

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#2899067 9-Apr-2022 15:13

Obraik: There's always the wrap option, right?

Sure, that is an option. I do find it somewhat weird, though, seeing the original colour in the interior parts of the bodywork (eg, inside the doorwells). Is it common to wrap those parts as well, or do they tend to have too much risk of wear to not make it worthwhile?

I also think the cost for wrapping a Y will be close to $10k, again a huge amount for changing the colour. If I was willing to spend that much additional money on the car (for solely aesthetics) it may be better put towards the additional cost of buying the long-range.

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#2899068 9-Apr-2022 15:19

Obraik: There's always the wrap option, right?

Yes, but it has it pro's and cons.

More expensive, and inconvenient than simply ticking the blue box on the order site. And only lasts about 5 years before it's appearance is degraded.

'Vehicle wraps can range from around $2,800 – $6,000 depending on the chosen finish, vehicle size and complexity of the overall job." https://wrapinnovations.nz/services/vehicle-car-wrapping-wellington/

But on the positive side, you are not limited to a handful of colour choices from the car brand, and you can go for more interesting stuff than the high gloss paint that comes on pretty much all cars these days. (Matt finished, Gradient's, printed stuff etc.). Also having a wrap protects the paint underneath, and allows the car to be reverted back to factory while. If you get sick of your toxic green wrap, or the person you sell the car do doesn't like it, it can simply be peeled off.

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