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Technofreak
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  #2552338 30-Aug-2020 12:22
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If in fact the police are going to go to a zero tolerance policy they are using a blunt instrument which wont improve road safety one iota.

 

What follows are my observations and other posters may have different experiences. I drive around 30,000 per year which is less than many drivers but, I suspect, still a lot more than most. A big percentage of this is on open roads. I generally set the cruise control and drive at a constant speed. The constant speed helps achieve a better fuel consumption.

 

Do I drive fast, no I don't. I drive to the conditions. Sometimes 100 kph is too fast on the open road. Do I break the speed limit while over taking, Yes, sometimes, to reduce the time exposed to danger. Without driving stupidly I can maintain a good average speed and a good fuel consumption.

 

With one exception the speedometer on every vehicle I have driven over the past few years has under read. The one exception was always correct compared the a GPS.

 

For the vehicles I drive, I nearly always check the indicated speed against a GPS, note the difference and then adjust my speed to allow for that difference.

 

Due to over reading speedometers and in some case lack of confidence a lot of drivers travel below the speed limit when it is quite safe to travel at the speed limit. They drive blissfully along at 90 to 95 kph often slowing well below this on hills or bends where it is still well and truly safe to drive at 100 kph.

 

Not only are these slow drivers unwittingly travelling below the speed limit many of them seem to think that since they are travelling at "the limit" they have the right to "police" the speed of the drivers following behind and not enable these drivers to pass when it's safe to do so. As a result they impede the travel of those travelling at the speed limit. 

 

To pass a vehicle within a reasonable distance (reduce the time in the on coming lane) you need to be travelling at least 10 kph faster than the vehicle you are passing. With the proposal for zero tolerance you will not be able to over take in what was previously a good safe overtaking space and/or you will be in the on coming lane for much longer then was previously the case. If using a passing lane fewer cars will be able to pass. All of this will increase the length of the line of traffic banked up up behind a slow driver thus increasing the frustration factor, which will lead to more accidents.

 

Also drivers will be watching their speedometer much more rather than the road and whats going on around them. As it is now some drivers (particularly slow drivers) struggle to be properly aware of their surroundings, particularly not being aware of what's going on behind them.

 

One thing I have noticed is that when I am following a slow vehicle that as a rule my fuel consumption increases markedly. This is because the slow vehicle doesn't maintain a steady speed, constantly accelerating and decelerating wasting fuel.





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  #2552373 30-Aug-2020 13:45
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gmball:/>
No one will give you a ticket for doing 90 in a zone with a limit of 100, but you may well piss off the queue of cars stuck behind you, which is proven to cause dangerous over taking and more loss of life.

The day Police and Government realise that speed alone is not what is causing deaths on our roads will be a great day.


Then pull over and let them pass.

Can you show your "proof" you have quoted please?

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Handle9:
gmball:/>
No one will give you a ticket for doing 90 in a zone with a limit of 100, but you may well piss off the queue of cars stuck behind you, which is proven to cause dangerous over taking and more loss of life.

The day Police and Government realise that speed alone is not what is causing deaths on our roads will be a great day.


Then pull over and let them pass.

Can you show your "proof" you have quoted please?

 

I think that is in line with what gmball was getting at. Someone could drive all day at 90 kph pissing off a lot of fellow drivers and creating a potentially dangerous situation but not be given a ticket.  I've certainly seen some dangerous overtaking manoeuvres due to frustration caused by slow inconsiderate drivers.





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  #2552554 30-Aug-2020 17:57
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Handle9: 
Can you show your "proof" you have quoted please?

 

There's another problem for our OP: being self-important and not wanting to be slowed down for a few minutes is not a defence under the criminal law for dangerous driving or even homicidal conduct (note for the ignorant - not directed at you @Handle9 - manslaughter is a homicide offence). Being frustrated or whatever doesn't cause dangerous driving. Someone being an jackarse and choosing to drive dangerously does.

 

The sooner your average "good driver" and so called upstanding Kiwi realises this, the better. If they don't want to learn the lesson, feel free to plough straight into a tree ASAP in a single person fatal crash.

 

 


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  #2552576 30-Aug-2020 19:27
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I'm amazed how someone suggesting the police use a 5 kph speed tolerance morphs into advocating for dangerous driving.





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  #2552577 30-Aug-2020 19:27
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Handle9:
MikeB4:

 

On a 100k journey the difference between doing the legal maximum (100Kph) and say 95Kph is only a few minutes. On the average commute a few seconds yet people rage over a few seconds or a couple of minutes, it baffles me.

 



I used to drive a lot in my job. I used to get tickets every 3-4 months. They were no one else's fault, it was my inability to maintain consistent speed and pay attention.

Once I realised that I wasn't a particularly good driver, slowed down a bit and showed a bit more courtesy on the road I stopped getting tickets and driving became much more enjoyable.

 

I couldn't agree more. The standard of driving is appalling in some cases with no regard for the law nor the consequences of getting it wrong. If people want to disobey law then call it revenue gathering they've got a problem so they should fix it. Higher speeds = faster reaction time. Unless you're a professional driver I wouldn't chance it.

 

When this is fixed they should focus on those who don't stop at stop signs thus violating section 4.1 Road Transport Road User Rule 2004. I've seen some that don't even give way.


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  #2552594 30-Aug-2020 19:40
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It's scary how some people get so upset at having to travel 5 - 10 km/h below the speed limit for a while, as if it's some sort of heinous crime on which their entire future existence pivots on, should they be delayed by a few minutes on their 3 hour journey. 

 

If they decide to make a stupid decision to pass then that's on them, not the car they are following that is, by the way, complying with the speed limit.  90 km/h would not be considered "inconsiderate" or holding up traffic.  It's not a crime if a driver does not travel at exactly 100 km/h.  I just hope it's not my family coming the other way. 

 

This is exactly the self-entitled and arrogant kiwi attitude that contributes to our crash stats.  

 

Speed may not cause crashes, but it's basic physics that speed affects the outcome/level of trauma.  Just chill and enjoy the journey. 

 

Police have always had the ability to issue  tickets between 1 - 9 km/h over the speed limit. This is nothing new.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  





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  #2552603 30-Aug-2020 20:00
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The above is the answer to the thread. Nothing more needs to be said, really.

 

 


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  #2552610 30-Aug-2020 20:14
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Driving to a certain limit (100km or otherwise) - does nothing to save lives.

Driving to the 'conditions' Does!

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  #2552612 30-Aug-2020 20:28
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concordnz: Driving to a certain limit (100km or otherwise) - does nothing to save lives.

Driving to the 'conditions' Does!

 

No one is saying that driving to the conditions don't save lives. No one is saying that it's always safe to drive to 100kph. No one sensible has ever said that 100kph is some kind of immutable speed target.

 

Quit with the strawman.

 

 


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  #2552833 31-Aug-2020 08:30
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I'll be interested to see what happens.  Possibly the cops are juts talking tough to make motorists more vigilant the way they do every public holiday.

 

I tend to set the cruise control to ensure I am actually doing 100.  I've been doing this for years and never had a ticket as a result.  I drive 30,000km per year, mostly open road.

 

In the old Pajero, the speed displayed on the speedometer was 108, when the vehicle was actually doing 100 (according to a GPS), so I used to set the cruise control to 108.  In the new Pajero the speedo correlates very closely to GPS (perhaps it's a GPS speedo), so I take it as accurate.





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  #2552844 31-Aug-2020 08:48
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scuwp:

 

It's scary how some people get so upset at having to travel 5 - 10 km/h below the speed limit for a while, as if it's some sort of heinous crime on which their entire future existence pivots on, should they be delayed by a few minutes on their 3 hour journey. 

 

 

Maybe for most, but as someone alluded to before, I drive between 50-60,000kms a year. If my average speed is 75kmh per hour and it drops to 70kmh, that's an extra week of driving. 

 

I have no issue with the speed limits. My driving isn't appointment or even time based, so there is no incentive for us to rush. And because I get reimbursed per km, there's an incentive to use less fuel. However I will try and avoid certain roads which are tourist traps. My pet hate for freedom campers is not necessarily how unkempt all these isolated rest areas look, but none of these vehicles seem to be able to do more than 80kmh!


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  #2552868 31-Aug-2020 09:36
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Handle9: There's always the simple answer. Don't speed, you won't get a ticket.

You are responsible for driving the car, if you can't control the cars speed then go and get some lessons on how to drive safely.

 

I am sure if it was it was to do with safety they would set up speed cameras around schools.
..You mean they don't?

 


..What do you mean in Christchurch they only ever set up speed cameras on multilane roads? (Fendalton road is their weekly favourite, as is Harper Ave and Bealey)

 

It's not like wider roads specifically causes people to speed. Oh it does you say?

 

 


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  #2552883 31-Aug-2020 10:00
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Wellingtonians will know where I am referring. Often as we travel along the Motorway to SH2 there will be a muppet that will pass us and we are at 100Kph and we will see the driver swapping lanes, speeding up slowing down, doing unsafe lane changes only for us to pull in behind them at the Melling lights. The outcome of all this muppetry is wasted fuel, wasted brake wear, putting other drivers at risk for zero time saving.

 

On long trips we will often be overtaken by the same vehicle multiple times so again saving nothing and risking everything.


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  #2552887 31-Aug-2020 10:09
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I see people confusing two issues here. 

 

What is a safe speed speed limit, and, should police have a tolerance for going over the speed limit. 

 

I personally think that many of our state highways are complete rubbish and the speed limit on those roads should be 80kph (as they would be in many other countries). 

 

So, I'm not against having people drive more slowly per se. 

 

But, I think it is stupid to penalise people for straying 1kph over the speed limit in good conditions and on good roads. A speed limit is the appropriate speed for the road as judged by experts, so you should at least try to drive at that speed when it is safe to do so. 

 

The police would be better off campaigning to reduce the speed limit on some of our more dangerous roads. 

 

 

 

 


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