RUCs to apply to all vehicles (incl EVs), replacing road user tax on petrol

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#3231118 16-May-2024 09:31

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The government are looking at doing away with windscreen stickers, how long it that likely to take?

The year is 3265. Waka Kotahi announce a program refresh to eliminate windscreen stickers once and for all with a timeline to complete within 6-12 years.

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#3231119 16-May-2024 09:34

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The government are looking at doing away with windscreen stickers, how long it that likely to take?

Idiotic idea, but then its National..

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#3231221 16-May-2024 10:08

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The government are looking at doing away with windscreen stickers, how long it that likely to take?

Idiotic idea, but then its National..

Come again? Why would no longer requiring a piece of plastic to be printed, sent via post, displayed in a windscreen, and then disposed of to be replaced by another be an idiotic idea?

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#3231225 16-May-2024 10:24

@rb99

Leave the politics to the Politics sub-forum.

Mentioning you think the idea is idiotic is fine.

Mentioning a party is not.

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#3231226 16-May-2024 10:41

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Idiotic idea, (political jab removed)

I think its a great idea. The transportation of information on a printed form buy people delivering it to you to display, when the only people that care about it already have automated systems to already have that information is IMO idiotic.

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#3231231 16-May-2024 10:56

You can check the local government rating database with just an address. I see no reason why there should be any privacy issues showing whether a vehicle was current with wof and applicable fees through number plate lookup.

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#3231233 16-May-2024 11:01

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Idiotic idea..

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

The RUC/Licence/WOF system is already online. NZTA & the police etc already have access to all of your vehicle details without having to look at a label in the windscreen for verification.

Have you seen the new (beta) NZTA app? It displays all info with regard to your vehicle & drivers licence.

If you want stickers all over your windscreen, that's fine. But a lot of us would prefer to minimise the rubbish generated by seemingly pointless labels & stickers that end up in landfill.

I'm sure for those that, for whatever reason, want printed labels they'll have the option to apply for them with an appropriate admin fee of course.

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#3231235 16-May-2024 11:07

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You can check the local government rating database with just an address. I see no reason why there should be any privacy issues showing whether a vehicle was current with wof and applicable fees through number plate lookup.

Like this?

https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/CheckExpiry/entry

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#3231241 16-May-2024 11:18

Mehrts:

The RUC/Licence/WOF system is already online. NZTA & the police etc already have access to all of your vehicle details without having to look at a label in the windscreen for verification.

Yes, and most overseas countries seem to manage to enforce vehicle registration without relying on a printed sticker. So I totally agree that we should be able to do it here. It would be good to get rid of WOFs while we are at it, Australia and the USA seem to do just fine without them, and vehicle defects make up a very small percentage of crashes over there.

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#3231246 16-May-2024 11:32

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@rb99

Leave the politics to the Politics sub-forum.

Mentioning you think the idea is idiotic is fine.

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#3231249 16-May-2024 11:37

I think its idiotic because, although it was a few years ago, they did something similar in the UK with ordinary tax disks (or whatever they're called), not RUCs. The result was lots of fines for people who could no longer check whether they were up to date using the simple method of looking at the date on the paper in the windscreen. It also doesn't require an app or t'interweb to check, assuming its working the day you want to check it.

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#3231253 16-May-2024 11:48

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I think its idiotic because, although it was a few years ago, they did something similar in the UK with ordinary tax disks (or whatever they're called), not RUCs. The result was lots of fines for people who could no longer check whether they were up to date using the simple method of looking at the date on the paper in the windscreen. It also doesn't require an app or t'interweb to check, assuming its working the day you want to check it.

That would be great, except that calendars exist. If people are too inept to remember these things they can write the date on their own label with a sharpie.

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#3231257 16-May-2024 11:50

rb99:

I think its idiotic because, although it was a few years ago, they did something similar in the UK with ordinary tax disks (or whatever they're called), not RUCs. The result was lots of fines for people who could no longer check whether they were up to date using the simple method of looking at the date on the paper in the windscreen. It also doesn't require an app or t'interweb to check, assuming its working the day you want to check it.

No matter the medium (paper or digital), it's up to the vehicle owner to keep on top of the necessary admin. You can't blame the mis-management of that on the system change.

Even if it means writing a date on a physical calendar...

The chances of a system outage when you're checking dates is very slim, and users should be often checking things like this anyway to make sure they're not caught out.

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#3231259 16-May-2024 11:55

I strongly support the removal of the requirement to display windscreen stickers (all of them).

Little need to carry the deadweight cost of printing them, and posting them.

Little need to carry the environmental impact of their ultimate disposable.

Little need to accept the (admittedly negligible) impact on driver visibility.

As pointed out by others there is already a free public lookup of Rego & WOF at the below link, and RUC range could be added to the list

https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/CheckExpiry/entry

Generally the laws around potentially abandoned car's need revision , but getting rid of stickers won't impact the amount of information publicly available

Don't assume no sticker means no transaction fee. Clearly $12 is more than it costs to print and post a bit of plastic. Other admin costs will still need to be recovered.

Getting rid of WOF's completely would be a major change, create a new thread anybody wants to discuss it further, but I note that Aussie & the USA do have some inspections required, but the rules vairy by state.

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#3231260 16-May-2024 11:55

Still don't see any good reason to get rid of them. Worked fine for decades. Not seeing (possible) new system as an improvement. Its just a money saving scheme (not that I'm against saving money, I find it quite handy), but i just don't think its some wonderful new thing.

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