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#3083184 1-Jun-2023 10:34

HarmLessSolutions:

Claiming back the RUC component of petrol may be a solution for the small number of oversized and totally offroad vehicles currently but I don't see this as a practical approach when you consider the massive numbers of hybrids in NZ.

Owners are going to be resistant to having to both record their distance travelled (if it remains a non-automated input) plus then submitting the paperwork involved in claiming the RUCs back, then of course the processing required by NZTA. How many NZers presently claim the RUCs back for their boat, lawnmower, chainsaw, dirt bike, etc. fuel?

For clarity as the rules stand currently (when the EV temporary exemption ends), Only Plug-in hybrids would be able to claim back petrol tax (non plug in petrol hybrids are not required to pay RUC's, as all their energy comes from Petrol, which allready has road tax included in it).

But yeah, it would generate an epic amount of paperwork. Probably workable with the current number of PHEV, but could become unworkable of some of the big brands decide to sell large volumes of PHEV's.

"How many NZers presently claim the RUCs back for their boat, lawnmower, chainsaw, dirt bike, etc. fuel?"

Suspect it is near 100% of the use cases that are eligible.

Note that the eligibility criteria to claim back fuel tax is quite narrow. All that stuff on your list can only have the tax claimed back if used commercially. ("exempted vehicles" are not common).

This is quite a sore point for recreational boaties who pay a lot of road tax as part of their petrol. The government promised that refunds would be available for the Auckland fuel tax when they were consulting on it, but when the legislation came out, they reneged on that position, and only made refunds available for commercial off road use...

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/fuel-excise-duty-refunds/

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/regional-fuel-tax/rft-rebate-claim/

Ignore the bit about private passenger vehicles not being eligible unless they are heavy - Legislation doesn't have that stipulation. see 5 (1) (b) below, and note that the definition of licenced vehicle near the top.

Legislation here:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0238/latest/whole.html#DLM277702

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#3083234 1-Jun-2023 11:26

IMO the only fair solution is RUCs for everyone by weight class to cover /km road costs, and fuel is taxed according to pollution. Hybrids are naturally covered this way: it doesn't matter how the hybrid system works, whether it's traditional mild-hybrid, plugin-hybrid, or a capybara on a giant wheel. Your pollution tax is reduced in proportion to how good the hybrid is at reducing fuel use. EVs pay essentially zero for pollution because they don't use fuel. All that's left is to make "pollution tax" a combination of CO2 and other pollutants, which could end up making diesel less attractive than petrol. But that's OK too because most hybrids are petrol, so it will further discourage diesel wherever there is an alternative.

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#3083291 1-Jun-2023 14:46

The pricing for the BYD Dolphin looks disappointing. Base spec Dolphin only $2k cheaper than the base spec MG4. I know which one I would choose..

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#3083293 1-Jun-2023 14:57

BlargHonk:

The pricing for the BYD Dolphin looks disappointing. Base spec Dolphin only $2k cheaper than the base spec MG4. I know which one I would choose..

Agreed. It won't be a massive seller IMO but perhaps a good price-point for company pool cars.

And for 10k more than the long range BYD Dolphin you get a lot more car (Tesla 3 for example).

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#3083356 1-Jun-2023 15:33

The BYD dolphin pricing is higher than expected, could well encourage MG to bring the 51kWh lithium iron phosphate version of the MG4 to NZ.

In the UK it is GBP2500 cheaper than the 64kWh version (which is sold as the Long range in the UK). That could easily Undercut the Dolphin & ORA to become NZ's cheapest Pure EV.

And even the 51kW MG4 is a pretty desirable car. RWD, 125kW, 0-60mph in 7.5sec, 350km rated range, 39mins 10% - 80% on a 150kW fast charger, and 448kg of payload (38kg more than the Dolphin).

Quite disappointed with the dolphin pricing really. I expected it to be $5k - $10k cheaper than what it is, and be a really strong value offering.

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#3083361 1-Jun-2023 15:40

BlargHonk:

The pricing for the BYD Dolphin looks disappointing. Base spec Dolphin only $2k cheaper than the base spec MG4. I know which one I would choose..

I think this comparison of specs is based on the entry level cars we'll get here (eg battery size, engine power etc) - please let me know if I'm wrong on this!

https://licarco.com/comparison/cars/mg4-ev-vs-byd-dolphin-405km-freedom-edition

Certainly does show the entry-level BYD is incredibly limited when compared to the MG4, and agree it's a no-brainer between the two. I really wouldn't cope with replacing my wife's 2013 Leaf with a new EV that's probably slower! (It's certainly smaller, but I guess the EV platform could make up for some of that.)

I guess, though, you can then make the case it's only another $4k on top of that to go with the higher-spec Dolphin. That said, I'm hoping the MG is a bit more spacious on the inside, going by it being wider and longer on the outside.

Can someone please remind me if the MG4's battery is LFP? [Edit - I see the reply directly above, which I take it means the current entry-level battery in the MG is not LFP]

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#3083373 1-Jun-2023 16:37

I think either BYD is making sure their prices dont make them look like a 'cheap' brand, or the NZ/AU distributors are just making sure they get a good slice of the cake.

Re the MG4, I think the base model (50kWh battery that we dont appear to get - 'under consideration for later') had an LFP battery.

The Excite (current cheapest) has a 64kWh battery which appears to be nickel-manganese-cobalt.

They are showing a Long Range (530km WLTP) on the NZ website, with a 77kWh battery. I would guess that is also nickel-manganese-cobalt.

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#3085745 6-Jun-2023 21:14

Extremely interesting interview of Ford's CEO, Jim Farley by Robert Llewellyn with some brutally honest appraisals of where Ford and other incumbent automakers are placed within the move to EVs.

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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#3086625 8-Jun-2023 16:23

Looks like Skoda read the room when it comes to pricing for the Enyaq. They've just dropped the starting price from $93k down to $79,990

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#3086648 8-Jun-2023 16:59

@Obraik - got a source on that? Still has the higher price on their web site.

Obraik

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#3086650 8-Jun-2023 17:01

RunningMan:

@Obraik - got a source on that? Still has the higher price on their web site.

It looks like they may have either updated their page early or made a mistake. This is what I was seeing on their website when I made that reply:

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#3086655 8-Jun-2023 17:10

That would be a much better price - on par with the ID4 and arguably better appointed.

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#3086662 8-Jun-2023 17:57

I wonder if they may be about to offer the 60kWh Enyaq version to get in under the rebate limit? Although, that’s not how that screen grab from their website reads. I really hope it is the way it looks.

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#3086795 9-Jun-2023 09:37

Skoda has re-updated their site again with the $79k price. It is indeed for the 82kWh version. Not as fast as the cheaper Model Y, but more range.

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#3086901 9-Jun-2023 12:16

In other news, not related to NZ but still EV news...it looks like the CCS1 connector is dead in North America. GM just announced today that they too will be transitioning to the NACS connector with their own deal done with Tesla to have access to the Supercharger network.

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